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Hi lil dunny,
I don't mind if you post here. I don't check this topic as often as the main forum, so it took me a while to see your post.
As far a luteal swelling, the first couple of months I actually had more than before using progesterone cream. I think my body was so out of balance that progesterones activation of the estrogen receptors was rather extreme. My last two cycles I did not notice much swelling, but I have noticed continued changes in my breasts. I have also experienced short cycles, which is another estrogen dominance symptom. I am confident that my body will achieve balance eventually.
This month is the first I have felt ovulation symptoms since starting progesterone cream. I am unsure whether that was a direct reflection of the cream or more an age related slow down. I think that I stopped my higher doses of progesterone too soon in my program and that kept me from overcoming the estrogen dominance symptoms faster. Last month I increased my dosage back to between 30 - 40 mg of progesterone days 12 - 28. This month I will delay the cream until day 16 to give my body ample time to ovulate and create the progesterone producing corpus luteum. I will use 30 - 40 mg of progesterone per day again this month.
Quite frankly my biggest focus is still my health and getting the estrogen dominance under control. I can report that I have kept all my initial growth and my breasts seem to be filling out - but not in ways that can be measured on a tape. I haven't taken a picture in a while and I may do so soon to see if there is better evidence of growth.
I hope you are experiencing a lot of benefit from the progesterone cream. I think for some women it is a better way to go than using herbs that increase estrogen. We each have to figure out what is best for us.
Good luck with your growth,
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Unread postMar 25, 2007#22
So, since stressing and whining about the stress was more important to me, I have completely fallen off the massaging bandwagon (not enough time to do both apparently). I hereby renew my vow to massage the little rascals at least one time a day.
I did keep up my vitex regime and am continueing with the progesterone. The anxiety monkey has seemingly begun to let go of me - let's hope the little varmant goes away for good.
I need to re-up my whey protein. I dropped to just once a day in the am - need to have my pm drink as well. I also need to increase the vitamin C. After all, if I want to build a brick wall I've got to have bricks. (does anyone else have the 'she's a brick house' tune playing in thier head right now?)
Here is one really great change. The fibrocystic area in my right breast is G O N E !!!!!! When?? How?? I don't know. It was there in my last post, now it is no where to be felt. And this is seriously, seriously great. I had begun to obsess on that thick area to the point of thinking 'is this a lump?' It seemed bigger, denser than before and it wasn't painful like it had been since forever... Of course I didn't blow it all out of proportion in my mind and think that it was the big C and that I had done it to myself with NBE. No, no, no, I was already planning how my funeral was going to be and how I was just going to stoicly accept my fate as the cancer gradually crept into my brain (is this a headache or a great big brain tumor...). -NO SIR, NO DRAMA QUEEN HERE!! ..... and now it's gone. It seems that all my tempests are still firmly in my teapot. So Yeah! No fibrocysts, no lump, no big C, and no funeral plans.
Also, no great increases in size yet either. But hey, I am not whining. They haven't shrunk either. I just took some pics and I will compare them to my last set (the super secret image files that I will have to delete with my last strength no matter what.... "Ma'am, It's the paramedics here to rescue you from (fill in the blank horrific health crisis) Please open this locked door." me: "must... delete... secret... file...")
So, I am off to look at current and past pics of my boobs. And oh yeah, my caboose is perhaps a little smaller, either that or my clothes have finally stretched out in the rear.
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Unread postApr 08, 2007#23
I used my photos to compare and see the gain, but I am not always taking them at the same time in my cycle, so the results vary. The side view seems to indicate the most change and that is mainly in the shape of my breasts. I guess when you start with nothing there is a lot of foundation work that has to be laid down first.
Well now I have some proof as to this foundation work. My measurement above my breasts have recently increased an inch as well.
My original measurements were:
Above breast: 34"
Over breast: 33"
Under breast: 31"
My current measurements are:
Above breast: 35"
Over breast: 34 1/2"
Under breast: 31"
I still have a long, long way to go to get to an A cup, but hey, the foundations are laid! Time for the construction crew to start the high rise! Let's get those towers building. (in my minds eye I see a gang of beefy construction guys in hard hats, blue jeans and no shirts on thier tanned and muscled chests (hey - it's my mind okay... and we women have some testosterone molecules... mine happen to look burly and I put them to work in boob construction - that way we are all happy) - they are getting down to business erecting a couple of shapely domes ... I can just hear the hammers now...lol)
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Unread postApr 13, 2007#25
Interesting that you may have also experienced a stress related effect in you development (or lack thereof).
As far as the push ups, I disagree as to them being a reason for small breasts. It is true that a toned muscle does appear smaller and tighter than a muscle that has no tone, but strengthening a muscle does not reduce body fat to a specific area. Your sister may have exercised enough to reduce her total body fat and she must be one of those who loses fat in the breast first (a common issue).
I do push ups and bench press about 3 times a week. It is the only reason I have any cleavage at all. Now that I am gaining breast fat I am having a really nice shape to my breasts due to the muscle I have created. I also believe by exercising the muscle I enhance blood flow to the breast which aids NBE.
The only downside to developing my chest muscles has been in getting a bra that fits. Since I have not only developed my pectoral (chest) muscles, I have developed my lats (side and back of chest) muscles - I have a larger rib cage measurement. This gives me a nice V shape to my upper body (accentuating my waist line) - and that is all great. The problem is in order to fit the bra band I have to use a bra that has even larger cup size requirements. Right now I am doing well to fill a 34A cup but I have to use a bra extender because even a 36 band is tight on me. I dream of having some boobs to match my rib cage measurement ... lol
Good luck with your progress. Keep me posted on how you are doing.
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Unread postApr 15, 2007#26
I wondered - do you have children? I've just read on the Beboard that progesterone may work better for women who haven't had children.
http://beboard.proboards107.com/index.c ... 1077074729
The theory being that women who have been pregnant have full mature breast (the glandular part) and extra estrogen will fill them out. PC is better for women without children.
You're the only person I can think of whose had success with progesterone cream. Congratulations by the way - so have you grown 2 inches now in total? - I'd be very chuffed with that.
Best wishes
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Unread postApr 16, 2007#27
No, I don't have any kids. That is the first time I have heard that theory. Perhaps it is true, but I think there have been accounts of those who have had kids growing with progesterone cream as well. However, other than some of the guys, I don't recall anyone else on this board saying they attribute growth to progesterone. My thoughts are that not many people use it and if they do, they use other things, so what made them grow may not be apparent.
My use of the cream started as a way to control my estrogen dominance. It caused an initial inch of growth across the fullest part of my breasts. Since then, I have gained another 1/2 inch across the fullest part. Recently I measured the upper part of my chest and found that I had gained an inch there. Since most people measure at the fullest part of the breast I consider that I have gained 1 and 1/2 inches total.
But really, the change in my breasts is more dramatic than that. I started with very small and dense areas on my chest that could be called breasts mostly because they had a nipple attached. I could see under my breast when I looked straight down. My breast-bone stuck out further than my breasts from the side view. You could clearly see my rib cage through the upper part of my chest (cleavage area). Now my breasts look like breasts (- very small breasts, sort of like a 'toy dog' breed of breast). They are no longer lumpy - my fibrocystic areas have disappeared. I have more 'cleavage' in the upper areas of my chest and you can no longer see the ribs. Oddly, not only has there been an increase in breast fat, but my chest muscles that I have cultivated for years have also increased in size since I started NBE.
I started out smaller than anyones starting picture on this forum. I am still smaller than most peoples starting picture on this forum. I really was smaller than AAA, but now I am probably a 34aa - A or a 36aaa -aa. My goal is to create a stable hormonal balance and grow my breasts a large as possible - I will be happy to continue this quest for years if necessary. I figure since I was such an oddly super small starting size it is going to be a lot longer for me to get to where I am going - my ultimate goal of D cup... lol. Really, getting to an A cup is going to be a BIG deal to me.
Oops looks like I created another 'novel' ... lol.
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Unread postMay 14, 2007#28
Here is what I think helped balance my hormones.
Progesterone cream used days 12 - 28 (80mg tapering to 20mg per day since September 2006)
Vitex 450mg extract and 500 mg herb per day since November.
Whey protein 25 - 50 grams per day
Crushed Flax seed 2 tbsp per day for last 3 months
Fennel 960mg per day for last 2 months
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The basic theory behind what I was doing was:
Adding progesterone (PC and vitex)
Increasing protein (whey)
Blocking estrogen receptors from more potent estrogen (flax and fennel)
Of course there were a lot of other things I have been doing to create this balance, but they are all listed in my program entries above...
I think it has worked, now to revise the plan.
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Unread postMay 15, 2007#29
Above breasts (under arms) 34"
Across breast (at nipple) 34" (plus a smidgen more)
Below breasts (bra strap area) 29.5"
So, what is rather strange is my band measurement has reduced by more than an inch. I attribute this to some effort on my part to reduce my FAT. What it took to bring my Estrogen Dominance under control has made me bigger in every way possible (okay, so maybe my hat size didn't increase...) The last few weeks I have been eating smaller, more frequent meals which has dropped me down about 5 pounds and I have lost an inch top to bottom - but luckily not so much in breasts (about 1/4 inch there).
My butt is still HUGE. During all this progesterone use my waist and hips grew, but my butt attained Moby Dick proportions (thar she blows! The great white whale of a butt). I'm going Ahab on it now.
Here is my new plan:
Am
Vitex extract 225mg
Vitex herb 400 mg
Fennel 480mg
Fenugreek 1220 mg
Protein drink
yogurt 4oz
crushed Flax seed 2tbsp
Wheat germ 2tbsp
Psyllium husk 2tbsp
Whey protein 20grams
Pm
Vitex extract 225mg
Fennel 480mg
Protein drink
Psyllium husk 1 tbsp
whey protein 20 grams
I will keep taking all my other multivitamin, cod liver oil, vitamin C ... as well as my exercise.
I am cautious about the Fenugreek. Taking double this amount gave me acne in 3 days. It seems this is a rather large amount per capsule... Maybe I will get a capsule with a lower dose and try that.
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Unread postMay 20, 2007#30
I started taking it last week - 7 days using about 300 mg or so (I dumped about half of a capsule and took the rest).
Now I will take 610mg a day for the next 7 days. If that works and no acne shows up, then I will increase to 1220 mg a day.
I am really leery of this herb. When I first took it at 1220 mg per day it was not a good deal. Immediately (3 days) brought on acne.
I read Fenugreek is related to chickpeas, which for me are agony to eat. I love them, but I have even a mouthful and I am doubled over with gas pains within a half hour. Hopefully they are distant relatives and Fenugreek will leave my face and intestines alone.
I am interested in it because it is not exactly a phytoestrogen - rather it functions in a different way -which hopefully for me will avoid estrogen dominance trouble and provide NBE. I have also noticed it is a frequent part of successful growth for those who have attained more than 2 inches of increase.
Come on Fenu!
I don't mind if you post here. I don't check this topic as often as the main forum, so it took me a while to see your post.
As far a luteal swelling, the first couple of months I actually had more than before using progesterone cream. I think my body was so out of balance that progesterones activation of the estrogen receptors was rather extreme. My last two cycles I did not notice much swelling, but I have noticed continued changes in my breasts. I have also experienced short cycles, which is another estrogen dominance symptom. I am confident that my body will achieve balance eventually.
This month is the first I have felt ovulation symptoms since starting progesterone cream. I am unsure whether that was a direct reflection of the cream or more an age related slow down. I think that I stopped my higher doses of progesterone too soon in my program and that kept me from overcoming the estrogen dominance symptoms faster. Last month I increased my dosage back to between 30 - 40 mg of progesterone days 12 - 28. This month I will delay the cream until day 16 to give my body ample time to ovulate and create the progesterone producing corpus luteum. I will use 30 - 40 mg of progesterone per day again this month.
Quite frankly my biggest focus is still my health and getting the estrogen dominance under control. I can report that I have kept all my initial growth and my breasts seem to be filling out - but not in ways that can be measured on a tape. I haven't taken a picture in a while and I may do so soon to see if there is better evidence of growth.
I hope you are experiencing a lot of benefit from the progesterone cream. I think for some women it is a better way to go than using herbs that increase estrogen. We each have to figure out what is best for us.
Good luck with your growth,
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Unread postMar 25, 2007#22
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Wow have I been busy. Unfortunately not with NBE. I moved my business and have been dealing with the physical move and the additional financial stuff that goes with it. I wouldn't say there has been much stress... I would say there has been a whopping, gigantic, overwhelming amount of stress. But hey, in 3, maybe 4 years I am sure I will be over it all... Apparently, I have a leeetle problem with change.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
So, since stressing and whining about the stress was more important to me, I have completely fallen off the massaging bandwagon (not enough time to do both apparently). I hereby renew my vow to massage the little rascals at least one time a day.
I did keep up my vitex regime and am continueing with the progesterone. The anxiety monkey has seemingly begun to let go of me - let's hope the little varmant goes away for good.
I need to re-up my whey protein. I dropped to just once a day in the am - need to have my pm drink as well. I also need to increase the vitamin C. After all, if I want to build a brick wall I've got to have bricks. (does anyone else have the 'she's a brick house' tune playing in thier head right now?)
Here is one really great change. The fibrocystic area in my right breast is G O N E !!!!!! When?? How?? I don't know. It was there in my last post, now it is no where to be felt. And this is seriously, seriously great. I had begun to obsess on that thick area to the point of thinking 'is this a lump?' It seemed bigger, denser than before and it wasn't painful like it had been since forever... Of course I didn't blow it all out of proportion in my mind and think that it was the big C and that I had done it to myself with NBE. No, no, no, I was already planning how my funeral was going to be and how I was just going to stoicly accept my fate as the cancer gradually crept into my brain (is this a headache or a great big brain tumor...). -NO SIR, NO DRAMA QUEEN HERE!! ..... and now it's gone. It seems that all my tempests are still firmly in my teapot. So Yeah! No fibrocysts, no lump, no big C, and no funeral plans.
Also, no great increases in size yet either. But hey, I am not whining. They haven't shrunk either. I just took some pics and I will compare them to my last set (the super secret image files that I will have to delete with my last strength no matter what.... "Ma'am, It's the paramedics here to rescue you from (fill in the blank horrific health crisis) Please open this locked door." me: "must... delete... secret... file...")
So, I am off to look at current and past pics of my boobs. And oh yeah, my caboose is perhaps a little smaller, either that or my clothes have finally stretched out in the rear.
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Unread postApr 08, 2007#23
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):I have been focusing my breast measurements under the breast and around the fullest part. Aside from my first inch which has remained, I have only increased another 1/2 inch. I have another 1/2 inch that comes and goes with my cycle. I gave up measuring for a while (except once when someone made a remark in a thread about measuring your breast when bent forward - wohoo! what a gain... lol).
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I used my photos to compare and see the gain, but I am not always taking them at the same time in my cycle, so the results vary. The side view seems to indicate the most change and that is mainly in the shape of my breasts. I guess when you start with nothing there is a lot of foundation work that has to be laid down first.
Well now I have some proof as to this foundation work. My measurement above my breasts have recently increased an inch as well.
My original measurements were:
Above breast: 34"
Over breast: 33"
Under breast: 31"
My current measurements are:
Above breast: 35"
Over breast: 34 1/2"
Under breast: 31"
I still have a long, long way to go to get to an A cup, but hey, the foundations are laid! Time for the construction crew to start the high rise! Let's get those towers building. (in my minds eye I see a gang of beefy construction guys in hard hats, blue jeans and no shirts on thier tanned and muscled chests (hey - it's my mind okay... and we women have some testosterone molecules... mine happen to look burly and I put them to work in boob construction - that way we are all happy) - they are getting down to business erecting a couple of shapely domes ... I can just hear the hammers now...lol)
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Unread postApr 11, 2007#24
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):I have the same problem. My grandma, my mom, my sister... basically all the women in my family have at least a C cup. And over here, I can barely fit an A cup! Why? Probably stress because when I started puberty in jr. high, my parents divorced and I had very poor nutrition during that one year. But I didn't consider that fact before I read your program. I think it's the push ups. Between 7th and 10th grade, I used to do at least 25 push ups a day, 3-4 times a week. Don't know why, I thought it was going to increase my breast size but it did the exact opposite. My breasts got firmer but not bigger. And recently, my older sister just started working out her arms for basketball very intensely for a two weeks and nothing but her breasts shrunk to a B cup. So these push-up could be on to something...
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
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Unread postApr 13, 2007#25
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Anh,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Interesting that you may have also experienced a stress related effect in you development (or lack thereof).
As far as the push ups, I disagree as to them being a reason for small breasts. It is true that a toned muscle does appear smaller and tighter than a muscle that has no tone, but strengthening a muscle does not reduce body fat to a specific area. Your sister may have exercised enough to reduce her total body fat and she must be one of those who loses fat in the breast first (a common issue).
I do push ups and bench press about 3 times a week. It is the only reason I have any cleavage at all. Now that I am gaining breast fat I am having a really nice shape to my breasts due to the muscle I have created. I also believe by exercising the muscle I enhance blood flow to the breast which aids NBE.
The only downside to developing my chest muscles has been in getting a bra that fits. Since I have not only developed my pectoral (chest) muscles, I have developed my lats (side and back of chest) muscles - I have a larger rib cage measurement. This gives me a nice V shape to my upper body (accentuating my waist line) - and that is all great. The problem is in order to fit the bra band I have to use a bra that has even larger cup size requirements. Right now I am doing well to fill a 34A cup but I have to use a bra extender because even a 36 band is tight on me. I dream of having some boobs to match my rib cage measurement ... lol
Good luck with your progress. Keep me posted on how you are doing.
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Unread postApr 15, 2007#26
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):hi waxingmoon
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I wondered - do you have children? I've just read on the Beboard that progesterone may work better for women who haven't had children.
http://beboard.proboards107.com/index.c ... 1077074729
The theory being that women who have been pregnant have full mature breast (the glandular part) and extra estrogen will fill them out. PC is better for women without children.
You're the only person I can think of whose had success with progesterone cream. Congratulations by the way - so have you grown 2 inches now in total? - I'd be very chuffed with that.
Best wishes
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Unread postApr 16, 2007#27
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hi Linz,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
No, I don't have any kids. That is the first time I have heard that theory. Perhaps it is true, but I think there have been accounts of those who have had kids growing with progesterone cream as well. However, other than some of the guys, I don't recall anyone else on this board saying they attribute growth to progesterone. My thoughts are that not many people use it and if they do, they use other things, so what made them grow may not be apparent.
My use of the cream started as a way to control my estrogen dominance. It caused an initial inch of growth across the fullest part of my breasts. Since then, I have gained another 1/2 inch across the fullest part. Recently I measured the upper part of my chest and found that I had gained an inch there. Since most people measure at the fullest part of the breast I consider that I have gained 1 and 1/2 inches total.
But really, the change in my breasts is more dramatic than that. I started with very small and dense areas on my chest that could be called breasts mostly because they had a nipple attached. I could see under my breast when I looked straight down. My breast-bone stuck out further than my breasts from the side view. You could clearly see my rib cage through the upper part of my chest (cleavage area). Now my breasts look like breasts (- very small breasts, sort of like a 'toy dog' breed of breast). They are no longer lumpy - my fibrocystic areas have disappeared. I have more 'cleavage' in the upper areas of my chest and you can no longer see the ribs. Oddly, not only has there been an increase in breast fat, but my chest muscles that I have cultivated for years have also increased in size since I started NBE.
I started out smaller than anyones starting picture on this forum. I am still smaller than most peoples starting picture on this forum. I really was smaller than AAA, but now I am probably a 34aa - A or a 36aaa -aa. My goal is to create a stable hormonal balance and grow my breasts a large as possible - I will be happy to continue this quest for years if necessary. I figure since I was such an oddly super small starting size it is going to be a lot longer for me to get to where I am going - my ultimate goal of D cup... lol. Really, getting to an A cup is going to be a BIG deal to me.
Oops looks like I created another 'novel' ... lol.
Best wishes,
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Unread postMay 14, 2007#28
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):I am finally starting to feel I have brought my estrogen dominance under control. I have the least amount of symptoms since, well, forever. It is time for a change.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Here is what I think helped balance my hormones.
Progesterone cream used days 12 - 28 (80mg tapering to 20mg per day since September 2006)
Vitex 450mg extract and 500 mg herb per day since November.
Whey protein 25 - 50 grams per day
Crushed Flax seed 2 tbsp per day for last 3 months
Fennel 960mg per day for last 2 months
---------------------------------------------------
The basic theory behind what I was doing was:
Adding progesterone (PC and vitex)
Increasing protein (whey)
Blocking estrogen receptors from more potent estrogen (flax and fennel)
Of course there were a lot of other things I have been doing to create this balance, but they are all listed in my program entries above...
I think it has worked, now to revise the plan.
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Unread postMay 15, 2007#29
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):My current measurements:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Above breasts (under arms) 34"
Across breast (at nipple) 34" (plus a smidgen more)
Below breasts (bra strap area) 29.5"
So, what is rather strange is my band measurement has reduced by more than an inch. I attribute this to some effort on my part to reduce my FAT. What it took to bring my Estrogen Dominance under control has made me bigger in every way possible (okay, so maybe my hat size didn't increase...) The last few weeks I have been eating smaller, more frequent meals which has dropped me down about 5 pounds and I have lost an inch top to bottom - but luckily not so much in breasts (about 1/4 inch there).
My butt is still HUGE. During all this progesterone use my waist and hips grew, but my butt attained Moby Dick proportions (thar she blows! The great white whale of a butt). I'm going Ahab on it now.
Here is my new plan:
Am
Vitex extract 225mg
Vitex herb 400 mg
Fennel 480mg
Fenugreek 1220 mg
Protein drink
yogurt 4oz
crushed Flax seed 2tbsp
Wheat germ 2tbsp
Psyllium husk 2tbsp
Whey protein 20grams
Pm
Vitex extract 225mg
Fennel 480mg
Protein drink
Psyllium husk 1 tbsp
whey protein 20 grams
I will keep taking all my other multivitamin, cod liver oil, vitamin C ... as well as my exercise.
I am cautious about the Fenugreek. Taking double this amount gave me acne in 3 days. It seems this is a rather large amount per capsule... Maybe I will get a capsule with a lower dose and try that.
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Unread postMay 20, 2007#30
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Here is what I am doing with the Fenugreek.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I started taking it last week - 7 days using about 300 mg or so (I dumped about half of a capsule and took the rest).
Now I will take 610mg a day for the next 7 days. If that works and no acne shows up, then I will increase to 1220 mg a day.
I am really leery of this herb. When I first took it at 1220 mg per day it was not a good deal. Immediately (3 days) brought on acne.
I read Fenugreek is related to chickpeas, which for me are agony to eat. I love them, but I have even a mouthful and I am doubled over with gas pains within a half hour. Hopefully they are distant relatives and Fenugreek will leave my face and intestines alone.
I am interested in it because it is not exactly a phytoestrogen - rather it functions in a different way -which hopefully for me will avoid estrogen dominance trouble and provide NBE. I have also noticed it is a frequent part of successful growth for those who have attained more than 2 inches of increase.
Come on Fenu!