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Well, I am stopping the fenugreek. I slowly ramped it up and there was no acne. However as I went up to 1800 mg a day I started feeling weird. Not exactly light headed, but troubled. I also began to have sleep problems and weird dreams and began to feel overheated. Then on Saturday I hit a wall. Extreme fatigue in the early morning, nausea that cleared up slowly after I ate something - I had to work and was tired all day. By nightfall I was overwhelmed and temp was 99.3. I skipped my pm doses of all herbs - slept well and woke up better. Skipped all herbs yesterday - no signs or symptoms of anything amiss.

I think the fenugreek lowered my blood sugar too much. During this time I did not experience any positive NBE results. No tingles - no increase, in fact my normal luteal swelling did not begin until the last couple of days when I stopped the herbs.

So, back to the drawing board. I think I will continue the herb fast for another week or two. Then I will start back with vitex and maybe fennel.

I will keep up with massage and all my other vitamins, but my body could probably use the break. Perhaps there will be some positive changes as my body clears out all the herbs.

Not depressed but disappointed. Fenugreek was supposed to be my magic pill to boobdom... Darn you Fenu (see me shaking fist). That's what I get for playing around with a cousin of chickpeas.

Perhaps it's just the lingering fenugreek poisoning talking but these last couple of weeks I have really been hankering for more boobage. Of course it doesn't help that I was looking for a swimsuit and that meant looking at all the ads with the godzilla boobed models ('quick, run for your lives, Boobzilla is destroying the city').

Alas, if only I had an A cup instead of mini-me...

SIGH

waxingmoon
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Unread postJul 28, 2007#32

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

I wasn't sure what would happen while on this extended break from all NBE herbs. Would I shrink, would I grow? Well, nothing happened. Yeah, it was a rather boring result. However, it does prove the fennel and fenugreek were not a positive for me and I was not overwhelming my receptors with them - that kind of NBE just isn't right for me.

I started to feel anxiety again and unfortunately began to have other symptoms of thyroid trouble ...sleep problems and lots of hair loss ( This tells me that my progesterone is not able to do it without help. I have begun to use Vitex again and I am using about 10mg of progesterone cream about every other day.

This cycle I was only able to make it to day 6 before I reached for the PC (if it stops me from ovulating, I don't care - the anxiety is just too much). That stuff has an immediate positive effect on me - anxiety gone. It also has another effect. I started on day 20 of last cycle and it caused my boobs to plump up like crazy (by the way I don't put it on my breasts, just on various thin skinned areas).

The twins have stayed rather 'big' -- meaning I still fill my 34a now 8 days after my period. Since I began using the PC cream this cycle they are beginning to grow again. I don't know if they will stay this way, but it is rather nice.

Here is my program right now:

AM
Massage with lavender oil (5 min)
Whey protein drink with Flax seed
Vitex 1 extract, 1 herb
Vitamins (multi, calcium/magnesium, cod liver oil, Vit E, chromium, coQ10, Vit C)

PM
Vitamins
Vitex 1 extract

Every other day or so 10 mg of progesterone cream



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Unread postAug 12, 2007#33

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Vitex seems to be kicking in more quickly this time. I have hardly had to use the PC.

I am still filling my 34a's fairly well. I bought an 'achievment' bra - 34 nearly B. So with that and my 36a I have some test bras to check on my progress. What I need is a little bitty camera to stick in the cup and see just how far away I am from filling the dome.

Happy news! My butt has shrunk an inch. So has my waistline. My weight is down as well and I am about 3 lbs short of my goal. Unfortunately, my overall body fat is still to high and there is some rather disturbing 'marbling' in my thigh area.

Forget fat transplants. What I want is a way to transplant estrogen receptors from my butt and thighs. This is just yet another way I find myself underwhelmed by technology.

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Unread postAug 27, 2007#34

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Just posting the vitamin regime I am currently on. I tend to change it slightly as time goes on and I want to record it here for future reference.

AM Vitamins

Multi - Bluebonnet (maxi two) - 1 tablet
Methyl B12 - 1000 mcg
Co Q10 - 30 mg
Ester C - 1000 mg
Evening Primrose Oil - 650 mg
Vitex extract - 225 mg
Vitex herb - 400 mg
Calcium/magnesium/potasium - 500mg/225mg/225mg
Codliver Oil - 3 capsules
E - 200 IU
Chromium Picolinate - 200 mcg


PM Vitamins

Co Q10 - 30 mg
Ester C - 1000 mg
Vitex extract - 225 mg
Calcium/magnesium/potasium - 500mg/225mg/225mg
Codliver Oil - 3 capsules
E - 200 IU
Chromium Picolinate - 200 mcg
Black Currant Oil - 500 mg
Melatonin - 6 mg
Selenium - 100 mcg


Additional Nutritional Substances

Whey protein - 20 grams
Crushed Flax seed - 2 tablespoons
Psyllium husks - 2 tablespoons
Green tea - 2 cups
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Unread postOct 04, 2007#35

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

I have been studying some things and have come to realize some other things that probably were instrumental in my lack of breast development.

Issue #1 SLEEP PROBLEMS
Ever since I was a child I have suffered from insomnia. I did not know for a long time that what I experienced when I went to bed was anything different from anyone else. After all, my parents assumed I went to sleep shortly after going to bed. In actuality I was awake for hours most night before I ever went to sleep.

The sleep problems went on into my puberty years. I can remember staring at the clock after my 9pm bedtime and watching the hours pass, midnight, one am, two am -- and then I guess I slept some because the alarm at 6am was always waking me up. I knew by this time that what I was experiencing was not the norm, but in my family this kind of 'weakness' was not tolerated or even acknowledged. If I had told someone I was not sleeping well it would have been my 'fault' and the solution would have been something like making me go to bed earlier or (weirdly enough) waking me up earlier to prove that I was actually sleeping. (Now, I know this might make some of you think my family was mean -they weren't mean, exactly... they were just so stuck on 'everything being perfect' that they refused to believe something wasn't perfect - You had to have verifiable evidence if something was going to be considered 'wrong' - for example you had to have a fever in order to be 'sick'... you had to be bleeding in order to be hurt... etc. As a result many things got swept under the rug so the veneer of family perfection could be spotless - yes it was strange, but at the time I knew no difference)

Anyway - all that lack of sleep was seriously cutting down on my Growth Hormone -which is produced during sleep. I am of normal height, but I am also shorter than my sister by a couple of inches(let me tell you she slept like a log). Growth hormone is not just for growing tall, it also affects us in a large number of ways.

Perhaps if I had gotten enough sleep I would be 6 ft tall and sporting a huge rack of boob... lol.

Issue #2 SUGAR
During this time of no sleep I was a sugar-holic. As I stated before, there was not a good nutritional profile to my youth. But I must honestly say my mom did try to keep me away from sugar, she was just very unsuccessful at this. I can remember asking her if I could have a piece of bread. Of course she said yes - bread is good right. Well, I would sneak the sugar bowl out and layer the top of the white bread with sugar. Voila -a sugar sandwich. This was just one of my many ways of sneaking the white stuff.

It turns out that high sugar consumption interferes with Growth Hormone.

Now, I know some of you are saying "Hey, maybe if you hadn't eaten all that sugar you would have slept better." And to that I must say "Hey, are we related? Because you sound just like someone from my family" ... lol
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Unread postOct 04, 2007#36

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

In honor of finishing my first year of NBE, I have composed a couple of poems about my breasts.

(I know, apparently I have gone insane, but at least it is the happy kind... lol)



BEFORE NBE HAIKU

ugly, worthless breasts
how you deflate my spirit
i do not love you



AFTER 1 YEAR OF NBE HAIKU

petite, perfect orbs
your beauty gives me such joy
how i love you both


waxingmoon (the loon)
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Unread postOct 04, 2007#37

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Today my lefty is an actual 36a.

Now this is only monumental if you consider my starting point of ... well okay I already failed to calculate that before because it was so small, but somewhere around a 36aaaaa... lol

Of course, I must honestly say it is only going to be this size for another 24 to 72 hours - four days tops, because that will be day 1 of my cycle and then I will be on the downhill slide of the boob roller coaster.

I must also confess that the little rascal on the right has only made it to a 36aa proportion... But, as I have squeezed my ribcage into a 34a today I am happy to see lefty bulging out of the top and righty filling the space nicely.


Ahhhh!!!!

So yes, the bummer will be that this will go away, but I also am encouraged because it will come back again. Each month I ride the boob coaster, but each month the 'cars' surge into higher hills (okay, okay I am mixing the metaphor a little, but you know what I'm talking about ... lol)


Weeee!!!!

I can see 'big boobs' from here...


waxingmoon - riding with both arms held high...
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Unread postOct 18, 2007#38

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

It's so fun reading your posting through your journey and gives me hope. Congratulations on your progress. I am too a 34AAA!! A mother of 3, close to 40, still hoping there is time to grow some. My disadvantage, among other things, is that instead coming from a boobie blessed family, I know at least my mother is flat-chested, so I might be pre-disposed to the same fate. But still hoping! I might be estrogen dominant also. I have taken borage oil, fenugreek, saw palmetto, flax seed, vitamind E, collagen (all in pill form), but don't see hardly any change. I have never really experienced obvious swelling any time during my cycle either, but my cycle is very regular without pain or discomfort. I was hoping, after all your trying and adjusting, you chould give me some suggestions as to what I should try. I am living in Singapore now and all progesterone cream must be through prescription (they are very tight with substance control). So if I should use progesterone cream, I need to buy online from the US and ship over here. Could you suggest which kind to use. Are they all created equal? Thanks in advance.
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Unread postOct 18, 2007#39

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Hi Sarah,
I use the Now brand of progesterone cream. I looked up an online store and this seems to be a good one:

http://www.now-2-u.com/index.php?action ... m_id=12546

They talk about postal codes to other countries so maybe the will ship to you. I like this brand. I is the only one I have used, but it is not the only one that will work.

What you must look for in a progesterone cream is whether it lists in its ingredients - USP Grade Natural Progesterone. This tells us that the progesterone cream is made to be bio-identical to our own progesterone. Any product that does not list this will likely not have what you are looking for. You also want to make sure it has enough progesterone to do you good. About 450 to 500 mg per ounce.

I did not have any success using phytoestrogens. This might have been because I was estrogen dominant, but now I think that it was also because I don't have enough active estrogen receptors. The progesterone is helping to correct that.

One other thing to keep in mind is that you can us the herb Vitex to help your body make more progesterone. You may find vitex locally. If you have trouble finding it I am sure you can find it online as well. The extract form is more potent than the herb by itself.

Good luck with your quest. Be patient. Those of us over 40 need to take the long term view of this. It can work, but we may have to balance out hormonal problems first.

waxingmoon
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Unread postOct 19, 2007#40

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Thank you so much for your information. Did you buy your other supplements through Now website also? It seems to be a very good one mainly because the shipping charge for international buyer is only $5.25!!! Usually they charge you an arm and a leg for shipping internationally. If you have been using their products and got the results you have, the quality must be very good too. So I ordered 2 jars of progesterone cream and most of the other things you have listed in the vitamins. Singapore has very high prices for all supplements and herbs. A lot of the stores carry American brands but the prices are like doubled or tripled from what you would pay for in the states. Hope to get them soon in the mail. Another question: do you do any massage? Many swear by it, saying that without massage, there won't be any growth even with all the "right" herbs. What is the bench press you are talking about? I am moderately athletic, meaning I have started working out mildly Monday through Friday. On Monday, Wednesday and Friday, I do treadmill for 30 minutes totally with 25 jogging at the speed of 6 miles per hour, and work with free weight on biceps, triceps, glutes and abs for another 30 minutes. On Tuesday and Thursday, I just do the jogging on treadmill for 30 minutes. I used to exercise quite regularly but since moving to Singapore 3 years ago, I have been doing it. Just started again because I feel I have to do something to keep myself in shape. I have never been fat and that might be one of the reasons why I got no boobs. I am 5'4 1/2 and 115 lbs, Asian. And that's another thing. They say asians have much more trouble growing. Nevertheless I am willing to try. I just would like to get to where some of the girls posted as their beginning picture. Sounds pretty pathetic, but that's the way it is. Thanks again for all your help.