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Hi Durga,
It looks like your ratios of Omega3:Omega6 are 7grams:3grams(ish) and that would put you at 2.3:1 ratio -which is very good according to what I have studied.
Supposedly at this ratio you have optimum ability to build (muscle, hormones, etc) and there is a very positive anti-cancer effect. You could even go a little higher with the borage/EPO and it would not negatively affect your ratios.
The other thing to think about as far as fatty acids is the EPA and DHA which you will get with fish or fish oil, but not with flax.
All in all it sounds like you are doing great in this regard. As far as NBE is concerned you are creating a sound foundation on which growth will be possible and likely.
Thank you for all these questions - it keeps me focused on why I do what I do to stay healthy.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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Unread postFeb 12, 2008#62
Thanks for being a battery pack to all the flashlights out there! Mine is working a little better now
Seems I had my ratios a bit reversed, but now I'm closer to understanding. I will seek out sources of EPA and DHA, as I only eat salmon once a week...
Peace and continued brightness on your path,
Durga
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Unread postApr 12, 2008#63
For the last 2 weeks or so:
Taking Goat's Rue
---- started with 1 600mg capsule and I am not up to 2 a day. Possibly I will increase to 3 a day. Supposedly can lower blood sugar, so I have to watch out for symptoms. My theory is that the galactogouges will not trash my estrogen/progesterone balance if they do not act like phytoestrogens. We will see won't we...
Stopped vitex
---- in order to see the potential effect of Goat's Rue. This way if GR has a synergistic effect with prolactin, the vitex won't get in the way. It was also very obvious that the vitex alone was not going to help my body create enough progesterone.
Using progesterone cream again:
---- 40 mg days 12 - 28. Estrogen dominance symptoms began to increase again and since I have stopped the vitex it is obvious my body is not creating enough on its own. I may drop the dosage to 20mg - that is if I start to have normal length cycles. Right now they are coming in at day 21 -23.
Increasing EPO
---- my Omega3 is pretty high now with fish oil and sardines in my diet. Perhaps the extra Omega 6 will help with NBE.
Additional massage with Fenugreek
---- I had some liquid capsules so I am using them for this since taking them orally was a disaster. I do this only at night because it is a sticky mess and has that 'oh so yummy pancake house' odor.
Taking GABA
---- 750 mg at night. Can't find a time to take more since it says not to take it with protein. Has definitely helped me with sleep -but I have no idea why since supposedly GABA cannot cross the blood/brain barrier. Perhaps they don't know everything about this supplement.
Taking (drumroll) Maca... again...
---- yeah, after all my whining... lol. Well, you know there is this half a bag... and I actually like the taste of the powder in my morning protein drink... and I am not taking as much... so, I wait with abated (and possibly stinky) breath to see if it makes an effect up top or does some more caboose remodeling. I am definitely 'watchin my backside' on this one...
Everything else is about the same supplement wise.
Exercises:
Added a power lifting set of decline bench press.
---- 1 time per week. Working 5 sets of 50lb, 60lb, 70lb, 80lb and 90lb anywhere from 15 - 9 reps for each. Then pyramiding back down from 90 - 50lb doing about 4 sets of each. Total of 10 sets in all. Boy do my pecs feel the effect the next day. Definitely helping define and build my chest.
Added swimming
---- 1 time per week. Swimming 2 laps then walking 2 laps for 30 minutes. Exhausting workout... very aerobic and challenging to the legs especially. Want to increase this to 2x per week if I can find some time.
Still working out 2 - 3 hours per day in my regular routines.
I will record my stats again when I get some more time and can find where the tape measure walked off to... lol.
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Unread postApr 17, 2008#64
Above breasts : 33"
Across nipples : 35"
Under breasts : 29"
Waist : 27"
Hips : 36"
Big ole butt : 39"
What's up with me getting a smaller rib cage?? I started NBE with a 31incher...
I think maybe my cunning new plan is working, but it could also just be swelling. If I hit the above 35" mark, then I will know for sure things are improving again.
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According to my package, 1/2 to 1 tsp = 3.5 grams of powder?! Yeah -that's helpful - as if the dosage would be the same for both...
My best guess is that they mean that 1 tsp has 3.5 grams of gelatanized powder. So 1/2 tsp would have 1.75 grams or 1750 mg. Now since this is a gelatanized powder it may be more like an extract - meaning more powerful than the herb would normally be.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Edit: I see now that you asked about a 1/2 tablespoon, which would be 1 and 1/2 teaspoons, so the dosage you are asking about would be 5250 mg. (that sounds like a lot to me... does that sound like a lot to you?... maybe that's why my buttocks flared up so much the first time I took it...)
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Unread postMay 02, 2008#67
A while back someone mentioned a breast measurement guide that suggested bending forward and measure the hanging breast size in order to decide what bra cup was correct.
(I can see how this would have benefits for those women who sag quite a bit... I mean a measurement across the chest when they stand up would not be accurate since the nipple line would be lower than non sagging breasts .... a detail that my little rascals have never and probably never will experience... that is unless I were to tie some lead weights to the nipples... and even then we would just be talking about some really, really long nipples without any actual breast sag... but I digress...)
So, let's see, where was I? Oh yeah, the bending forward measuring thingy...
So I did this months ago and was giddily laughing about how it gave me another inch, which as I recall then was 35 inches.... Just did it again and I got a 36 inch measurement!!!
So okay, it means nothing except that I am an inch bigger from the last time I did this... but still... it's sort of cool...
okay, shutting up now...
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Unread postMay 12, 2008#69
I have some serious amounts of stress too, pretty much all the time, no end in sight on that one.
You're an inspiration, and I'm glad that I can come to this board and see someone else who has almost the exact same problems as I do.
Thank you for being so persistant. I hope you keep growing. :-)
Joey
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Unread postMay 16, 2008#70
Thank you for your kind words. Best wishes to your plan being successful.
Now- slight change in plans.
I ran out of goat's rue... That stuff is 'not available in stores' and I am too disorganized to have ordered more. I went up to taking 3 pills total per day and the only notable effects were afternoon headaches and a greater tendency for more facial acne. I have also had some disturbing stomach issues lately and my intuition is that the goat's rue is to blame.
So, here is my new cunning plan...
Why not try the method of promoting estrogens during the first 2 weeks of my cycle and progesterone for the last 2 weeks... (well, duh, what about your estrogen dominance... -hey, hold your horses, I'm getting to that).
Ahem, since as has been pointed out that I am estrogen dominant, and since I know from having read the illustrious Dr. Lee that estrogen dominance can occur even in situations where a woman has low total estrogen (she just also has much lower progesterone) I could use a plan to promote estrogen as long as concurrently I was promoting some progesterone.
So this is my idea:
During first 2 weeks of cycle:
Am NBE (meaning in addition to all that other stuff I take for health in general)
Fennel (I will have to work out how much ultimately, but for now just 1 cap)
Maca - 1/2 of 1/2 tablespoon (yeah, along with socks, those nifty measuring spoons just vanish in my house)
No Crushed Flaxseed (or else it will cling to all those estrogen receptors and block the fennel)
Pm NBE
Fennel
5 - 10 mg of progesterone cream - I will have to work out just how much so that it does not screw with my cycle, but does help balance the estrogen.
During last 2 weeks of cycle:
Am NBE
Crushed Flax seed - 2 tablespoons
Pm NBE
progesterone cream 40 mg
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still am taking the EPO, GABA, Whey protein, blah, blah blah as before...
By the way - I do not recommend this plan to anyone else - I am taking progesterone in a way that has not been documented to be helpful. I am EXPERIMENTING (probably won't grow another arm, but I could screw up my ovulation - and also I am increasing my total dose of a hormone, which comes with some risk... so beware)
anyway... just putting it down here so I can refer back on start dates of this cunning plan.
waxingmoon
It looks like your ratios of Omega3:Omega6 are 7grams:3grams(ish) and that would put you at 2.3:1 ratio -which is very good according to what I have studied.
Supposedly at this ratio you have optimum ability to build (muscle, hormones, etc) and there is a very positive anti-cancer effect. You could even go a little higher with the borage/EPO and it would not negatively affect your ratios.
The other thing to think about as far as fatty acids is the EPA and DHA which you will get with fish or fish oil, but not with flax.
All in all it sounds like you are doing great in this regard. As far as NBE is concerned you are creating a sound foundation on which growth will be possible and likely.
Thank you for all these questions - it keeps me focused on why I do what I do to stay healthy.
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Unread postFeb 12, 2008#62
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Waxingmoon,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Thanks for being a battery pack to all the flashlights out there! Mine is working a little better now
Seems I had my ratios a bit reversed, but now I'm closer to understanding. I will seek out sources of EPA and DHA, as I only eat salmon once a week...
Peace and continued brightness on your path,
Durga
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Unread postApr 12, 2008#63
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Okay, here is what I am doing differently - in case this routine has a negative effect on my memory or something... lol.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
For the last 2 weeks or so:
Taking Goat's Rue
---- started with 1 600mg capsule and I am not up to 2 a day. Possibly I will increase to 3 a day. Supposedly can lower blood sugar, so I have to watch out for symptoms. My theory is that the galactogouges will not trash my estrogen/progesterone balance if they do not act like phytoestrogens. We will see won't we...
Stopped vitex
---- in order to see the potential effect of Goat's Rue. This way if GR has a synergistic effect with prolactin, the vitex won't get in the way. It was also very obvious that the vitex alone was not going to help my body create enough progesterone.
Using progesterone cream again:
---- 40 mg days 12 - 28. Estrogen dominance symptoms began to increase again and since I have stopped the vitex it is obvious my body is not creating enough on its own. I may drop the dosage to 20mg - that is if I start to have normal length cycles. Right now they are coming in at day 21 -23.
Increasing EPO
---- my Omega3 is pretty high now with fish oil and sardines in my diet. Perhaps the extra Omega 6 will help with NBE.
Additional massage with Fenugreek
---- I had some liquid capsules so I am using them for this since taking them orally was a disaster. I do this only at night because it is a sticky mess and has that 'oh so yummy pancake house' odor.
Taking GABA
---- 750 mg at night. Can't find a time to take more since it says not to take it with protein. Has definitely helped me with sleep -but I have no idea why since supposedly GABA cannot cross the blood/brain barrier. Perhaps they don't know everything about this supplement.
Taking (drumroll) Maca... again...
---- yeah, after all my whining... lol. Well, you know there is this half a bag... and I actually like the taste of the powder in my morning protein drink... and I am not taking as much... so, I wait with abated (and possibly stinky) breath to see if it makes an effect up top or does some more caboose remodeling. I am definitely 'watchin my backside' on this one...
Everything else is about the same supplement wise.
Exercises:
Added a power lifting set of decline bench press.
---- 1 time per week. Working 5 sets of 50lb, 60lb, 70lb, 80lb and 90lb anywhere from 15 - 9 reps for each. Then pyramiding back down from 90 - 50lb doing about 4 sets of each. Total of 10 sets in all. Boy do my pecs feel the effect the next day. Definitely helping define and build my chest.
Added swimming
---- 1 time per week. Swimming 2 laps then walking 2 laps for 30 minutes. Exhausting workout... very aerobic and challenging to the legs especially. Want to increase this to 2x per week if I can find some time.
Still working out 2 - 3 hours per day in my regular routines.
I will record my stats again when I get some more time and can find where the tape measure walked off to... lol.
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Unread postApr 17, 2008#64
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Found the tape measure... finally....
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Above breasts : 33"
Across nipples : 35"
Under breasts : 29"
Waist : 27"
Hips : 36"
Big ole butt : 39"
What's up with me getting a smaller rib cage?? I started NBE with a 31incher...
I think maybe my cunning new plan is working, but it could also just be swelling. If I hit the above 35" mark, then I will know for sure things are improving again.
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Unread postMay 02, 2008#65
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hey, Waxingmoon! I am planning to add maca to my new nbe program. I want a bigger booty, too! Would you know how many milligrams does 1/2 tbsp of maca have? Thanks!
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
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Unread postMay 02, 2008#66
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hi Lena,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
According to my package, 1/2 to 1 tsp = 3.5 grams of powder?! Yeah -that's helpful - as if the dosage would be the same for both...
My best guess is that they mean that 1 tsp has 3.5 grams of gelatanized powder. So 1/2 tsp would have 1.75 grams or 1750 mg. Now since this is a gelatanized powder it may be more like an extract - meaning more powerful than the herb would normally be.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Edit: I see now that you asked about a 1/2 tablespoon, which would be 1 and 1/2 teaspoons, so the dosage you are asking about would be 5250 mg. (that sounds like a lot to me... does that sound like a lot to you?... maybe that's why my buttocks flared up so much the first time I took it...)
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Unread postMay 02, 2008#67
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Okay, so this next thing is really weird and means virtually nothing...
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
A while back someone mentioned a breast measurement guide that suggested bending forward and measure the hanging breast size in order to decide what bra cup was correct.
(I can see how this would have benefits for those women who sag quite a bit... I mean a measurement across the chest when they stand up would not be accurate since the nipple line would be lower than non sagging breasts .... a detail that my little rascals have never and probably never will experience... that is unless I were to tie some lead weights to the nipples... and even then we would just be talking about some really, really long nipples without any actual breast sag... but I digress...)
So, let's see, where was I? Oh yeah, the bending forward measuring thingy...
So I did this months ago and was giddily laughing about how it gave me another inch, which as I recall then was 35 inches.... Just did it again and I got a 36 inch measurement!!!
So okay, it means nothing except that I am an inch bigger from the last time I did this... but still... it's sort of cool...
okay, shutting up now...
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Unread postMay 03, 2008#68
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Wow, that is too much! Haha! Maca is a bit expensive here in my area and I could only get a one-month supply for 600 mg a day. That means I have to wait a bit before I get a bigger booty. LOL. Congratulations on your growth, by the way. c",)
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
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Unread postMay 12, 2008#69
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hey waxingmoon.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I have some serious amounts of stress too, pretty much all the time, no end in sight on that one.
You're an inspiration, and I'm glad that I can come to this board and see someone else who has almost the exact same problems as I do.
Thank you for being so persistant. I hope you keep growing. :-)
Joey
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Unread postMay 16, 2008#70
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Joey,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Thank you for your kind words. Best wishes to your plan being successful.
Now- slight change in plans.
I ran out of goat's rue... That stuff is 'not available in stores' and I am too disorganized to have ordered more. I went up to taking 3 pills total per day and the only notable effects were afternoon headaches and a greater tendency for more facial acne. I have also had some disturbing stomach issues lately and my intuition is that the goat's rue is to blame.
So, here is my new cunning plan...
Why not try the method of promoting estrogens during the first 2 weeks of my cycle and progesterone for the last 2 weeks... (well, duh, what about your estrogen dominance... -hey, hold your horses, I'm getting to that).
Ahem, since as has been pointed out that I am estrogen dominant, and since I know from having read the illustrious Dr. Lee that estrogen dominance can occur even in situations where a woman has low total estrogen (she just also has much lower progesterone) I could use a plan to promote estrogen as long as concurrently I was promoting some progesterone.
So this is my idea:
During first 2 weeks of cycle:
Am NBE (meaning in addition to all that other stuff I take for health in general)
Fennel (I will have to work out how much ultimately, but for now just 1 cap)
Maca - 1/2 of 1/2 tablespoon (yeah, along with socks, those nifty measuring spoons just vanish in my house)
No Crushed Flaxseed (or else it will cling to all those estrogen receptors and block the fennel)
Pm NBE
Fennel
5 - 10 mg of progesterone cream - I will have to work out just how much so that it does not screw with my cycle, but does help balance the estrogen.
During last 2 weeks of cycle:
Am NBE
Crushed Flax seed - 2 tablespoons
Pm NBE
progesterone cream 40 mg
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still am taking the EPO, GABA, Whey protein, blah, blah blah as before...
By the way - I do not recommend this plan to anyone else - I am taking progesterone in a way that has not been documented to be helpful. I am EXPERIMENTING (probably won't grow another arm, but I could screw up my ovulation - and also I am increasing my total dose of a hormone, which comes with some risk... so beware)
anyway... just putting it down here so I can refer back on start dates of this cunning plan.
waxingmoon