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Hi waxingmoon,

Do you consider flaxseed oil to be as clingy as the crushed flaxseed?

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Unread postMay 19, 2008#72

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Hi Mango,
A bottle of the flaxseed oil list the lignan amount as 5 - 13 mg per tablespoon. A tablespoon of the crushed flaxseed has 50 - 130 mg of lignan.

It is the lignan property that binds to the estrogen receptors.

So, no, the flaxseed oil will not be as 'clingy' as the crushed - and the oil has more of the omega 3 fatty acids.

Hope that has helped,
waxingmoon
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Unread postJun 05, 2008#73

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

I am in the phase 2 part of my new cunning plan. At this point I am using no estrogenic herbs and adding the flaxseed to my protein drink. My progesterone use will continue at around 40 mg per day until the first day of my period.

I feeeel larger. My nemesis the tape measure does not agree, but I am plumping out of the top of my 34a push ups and I am seeing some side boobage from head on (one of the things I am really wanting is to have the sides of my breasts round outward to at least the edges of my ribcage... that and a breast crease, I really want an under the boob breast crease... and some really full tops... oh, and a B cup...)

So while I wait for all that to happen I wanted to share another insight.

The goat's rue may or may not have anything to do with what is happening this month. I just took it until it ran out and only got the dosage up to 3 capsules a day. But here is the really interesting part. I lost about 5 lbs and my waistline and butt decreased by an inch. No loss whatsoever in the boobage.

These were not lasting changes since I stopped the Goat's rue, but I can see how if I were to use it again and keep at it this could be a very good way to reduce while keeping the twins.

Now I must find that site and order some more. (I am a little worried about using my card on the internet anymore... some thief stole my info and money from my account... probably part of that DNE site getting hacked scam that is going on although I had ordered from DNE back in Nov 07 and the thefts occured in March... buyer beware for sure from now on...)

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Unread postJun 09, 2008#74

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Well, this is strange and it may be more about the bra than anything else...

I have really been uncomfortable in the 34a's lately. Just pinched and squished every day. My band measurement had not changed, in fact throughout my NBE journey my rib measurement has gone down, so I was puzzled what was the deal.

I bought a 34b and it fits rather nice. Mind you it is a padded push up bra, but I do bulge and push up out of it.

Which is all very nice and weird at the same time. I mean considering where I started from this is just amazing. However, it also makes me realize that I am not ready to stop yet.

I mean if the naked breast me is a B cup, then I need to be larger than that for my frame. I still don't have that "adult" shape to my breast that I was assuming would come with the B territory.

I think I am supposed to be a 36 band. The 36a test bra I have does not fit like the 34b. I need more width to fill it out (that elusive side boobage).

But hey, I'm still growing! That is just amazing in itself.

I don't know if it is my new plan of using mild estrogenic stuff days 1 - 12 and progesterone days 12 - 28 or if it is a lingering effect of the goat's rue...

Now I really want to get more goat's rue.

Not stopping at B... now I want to see what a C looks like on me...

... the quest continues,

waxingmoon
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Unread postJun 09, 2008#75

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

I realize how super sized my program page is so I thought I would post an update of my NBE/health routine as it currently exists.

AM Routine

Wake up after 7 - 8 hours sleep minimum - read motivational stuff
Earl Grey green tea along with Eve's forum reading
Breakfast - Whey protein, yogurt, psyllium husk, (days 1 - 12 -crushed flax seed and 1/4 Tablespoon Maca gelatanized powder)

Shower and massage breasts with hot water
Massage breasts with lavender oil and lavender hand lotion approx. 5 min.

Vitamins

Multi - Brand varies, but always food based and moderate B vitamin amounts
Methyl B12 - 1000 mcg
Ubiquinol -Bluebonnet (a more active form of Co Q10) - 50 mg
Ester C - 2000 mg
Bioflavonoids - 500 mg (they help the vitamin C work better)
Evening Primrose Oil - 1300 mg
Calcium/magnesium - 500mg/225mg
Codliver Oil - 2 capsules or 1 teaspoon oil
E - 200 IU
Chromium Picolinate - 200 mcg
L-tryptophan - 500 mg
Fish oil - 2 grams
Vitamin D - 1000 IU
Creatine monohydrate - 5 grams
Milk thistle extract 175 mg (30 days total use then I will stop)
Fennel herb - 840 mg (only during days 1 - 12 of cycle)

(yeah, I know - I rattle when I walk after taking all of that stuff ... lol)

Afternoon Routine

2 - 4 hours of exercise varying from light to intense
A couple of light meals of usually fish or turkey
Another cup of Earl grey green tea

Evening Routine

Evening meal usually fish or turkey or vegetarian followed by a whey protein drink.

Vitamins (30 minutes prior to bed)

Ester C - 2000 mg
Bioflavonoids - 500 mg (they help the vitamin C work better)
Evening Primrose Oil - 1300 mg
Calcium/magnesium - 500mg/225mg
E - 200 IU
Chromium Picolinate - 200 mcg
L-tryptophan - 500 mg
Fish oil - 2 grams
GABA - 750 mg
Melatonin time released - 3 mg
CoQ10 - 100mg
Selenium - 100 mg
Milk thistle extract 175 mg (30 days total use then I will stop)
Fennel herb - 420 mg (only during days 1 - 12 of cycle)

And then I rattle off to bed and write motivational stuff.
Progesterone Cream (5mg days 1 - 12) (40 mg days 12 - 28)

I hope to add Goat's rue back into the routine and I will take it every day of the cycle. I also want to increase my potassium to about 2400 mg a day, so I will be getting both of those supplements soon.

That's it for now.

waxingmoon
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Unread postJun 23, 2008#76

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

I just purchased several more 34b bras... they fit!!!! Even the one without padding fits (okay, maybe a little loose, but not very much)...

I really still find it hard to believe...

I have started using a pump - a rather primitive one, not a noogle or BB. If I keep it up I will get a noogleberry - but I have to prove to myself I am willing to do this every day. Hopefully pumping will help to encourage more growth at the top of the breast.

I also am going to be doing more chest press in my home gym. We just set it up better so I will be adding a couple of intense workouts to my normal routine. This should also help increase the top of the breast area.

It has taken me almost 2 years to get to B size - I figure another year or 2 to get to a C cup.

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Unread postJul 10, 2008#77

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Well, okay, so I am somewhere in the land of big A, little B cup. Mostly it is righty who is not filling the cup. Lefty is holding up her end of the bargain. But, there is this chilling observation I have... am I fitting these bras the way another B cup would???

The reason I ask is because I have been using my breast pump. It is a 'Doc Johnson' model that has embarrassed and mortified me ever since I purchased it. It is not just that it is BRIGHT pink... it is not just that as a double pump it looks like some mad doctor's invention sticking off of my chest (a mad doctor with absolutely no aesthetic taste... bright pink?)... it is not just that I have to go through a sort of gymnastic kind of contortion to hold the cups on my breasts and pump at the same time (think creative use of knees)... it is not just that my husband nearly dies laughing anytime he sees me with this device suctioned onto my breasts like a couple of little bright pink lampreys (he keeps waking up early when I am having my 'me time' in front of the computer)... it is not just that I can perceive no difference in spite of using this thing consistently for 'over a week' (a WHOLE week damn it!)...

It is all of those things ... and, I do not even come close to filling the domes. I am not sure what size these things are since they came in only one size. I have searched, mind you very lazily, on the forum for info that would indicate what size the BB, or Noogle cups are -but no results to my query.

I have made a deal with myself that if I will continue to pump daily for 1 full month I can buy the Noogle pump (and destroy that hideous Doc Johnson model). We will see if my sense of mortification and dread will overwhelm me before I have any encouraging results.

sigh,
waxingmoon (did I mention they were BRIGHT pink...)
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Unread postJul 15, 2008#78

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

It is fun to catch up on your history. I really enjoy the pumping: turn the radio up, read the paper and relax. If you can't do it 3-4X per week for 10 min. each side then try 15 min. 2x a week. Sometimes I do the right twice as long as the left to balance it out. It is important to drink lots of water or tea, whatever. This is all I do (in addition to husband's sucking nipples) and it keeps me in the A-B game. Don't expect results in a month: I have been doing this for almost 3 years (but only this).
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Unread postJul 19, 2008#79

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Hi Lynn,
Thanks for the encouragement. I seem to have gotten over the initial 'horror of it all' and I am now enjoying the process.

In fact I feel a little odd now if I don't have a chance to use the suction at least once a day. I am up to about 30 minutes once a day and I sometimes have time for a second session.

The darn thing is still just as pink and ugly as before though... lol. I have gotten into the habit of placing a shirt over the contraption while I am pumping since my husband seems mysteriously drawn to the process. He is not in anyway discouraging about it, but as I fear for his safety if keeps laughing that hard - thus the 'shield'.

I seem to have begun responding to the suction and I increase about and inch or more immediately, but the results disappear quickly. I finally figured out these are the equivalent to the Noogle medium cups in size. I do not fill them yet, but I can see progress toward that.

I decided to hold off on purchasing the Noogle until either these cups break, the minimalistic cushion around the rims becomes too painful, or I fill these domes. I mean after all, suction is suction. I paid for this horrible thing so I might as well use it.

I am definitely responding to this method. My breasts seem larger than ever, but I still am tape dysfunctional, so the measurements do not reflect the growth. I am filling the B bras even more.

So, what an interesting journey.

waxingmoon
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Unread postJul 21, 2008#80

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Nice to hear your response. I wanted to mention a couple other things besides drinking lots of water. I just use an Evenflo breast pump, cost $45 or so. Since I have breastfed before I recognize all the breast feelings; some small aches when they want to activate, or need fluid, and the crashing hunger. Don't be fooled that this is what you might be inducing by pumping a lot! You may also get VERY tired in the afternoon or whenever; just put your feet up and try to take a 20-60 min. nap. It's important not to ignore the soporific feeling! The extra effect is that if you nap of course you will be up later, but I think that being able to stay up late is a benefit of pumping. Another less documented phenomenon is the sixth sense you can increase with pumping: don't ask me what is going on here, but I am way more receptive than I used to be: know who is calling when the phone rings, see things before they happen sometimes. The mother sense. And then there's the Oxytocin, which makes you happy and fun to be around. The libido knows no bounds. I call it suffering from euphoria but the secret is just the breast pump!