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I just wanted to add a way to keep the domes on that I did (yes I had one of those "premitive" devices long long ago). I took an old soft cup bra (no underwire) and cut two wholes for the tubing to fit through. then I would use it to hold the cups on. I found it highly embarrassing too. I ended up using it in bed while fully covered in the comforter and while watching tv. only way I could stand it. I don't think I got any permanent growth from this contraption but thought the bra idea might help you. Congrats on all the progress!

BTW I think these cups are equivalent in size to about a medium BB domes. If you measure the domes I can compare them to my bb domes if you want.
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Unread postJul 22, 2008#82

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Hi Lynn and Keiyah,

Thanks for the info and advice. I have been using suction now for a month and there have been a lot of interesting effects.

I can't say I have noticed any enhancement of extra-sensory abilities yet, but Lynn, I would not doubt what you say. Oxytocin is likely being enhanced and it would be an evolutionary advantage for that hormone to improve all sensory abilities no matter how latent. Hyper-awareness and motherhood seem to go hand in hand.

I guess I have grown enough that the domes will stay on now unless I use my arms too vigorously - like type when they are first on. The bra idea sounds like a good one, Keiyah - I may convert one of mine.

I am now pumping at least once a day for 30 minutes and several times per week 2 sessions instead of one. The best time for me to do it is when I am at the computer. There is definitely an addictive quality to this method.

So far absolutely no lingering capillary marks or sustained red marks from the rings past a couple of hours after I take them off. I swell about an inch and a half to two inches immediately which goes away fairly quickly. I am really not into measuring that much and instead I use my bras to figure out how much I have grown.

There is definitely some sustained size increase. I tried on a swimsuit top that used to swamp me unless I put in lots of padding. It fit very well without any padding at all. I put on a tank top with molded cups that used to fit fairly well and I was too big for it.

If I had known how quickly and easily I would respond to suction I would have done this a long time ago.

Something interesting though regarding hormone balance. I stopped the progesterone completely this cycle - I had a session of night sweats after I applied my normal amount. Night sweats are a sure sign of low estrogen. I began taking a single fennel capsule both day and night (I had been stopping fennel as soon as I began using progesterone during the second half of my cycle). I also stopped the crushed flaxseed. It seems to have worked and I am sleeping well with no night sweats. I don't know exactly what has happened, but I suspect the suction has created a change in hormone needs... we will just see how this plays out.

Anyway, before I ramble on any longer...

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Unread postJul 25, 2008#83

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

WaxingMoon I have another question about the progesterone cream. In your opinion, after having taken the cream for awhile and then stopping, did you ever feel like your body would become dependent on it? I remember you said like it took away your anxiety, which is good. Basically, do you think it's possible that by adding progesterone you taught your body to make less, because of the body feeling like it no longer needed to produce it? Do you think that is possible? I don't want to seem negative or worrisome, but you definitely have ample experience with pc and you are smart, so you're the first person I knew to ask. And when considering taking pc, that's my only main worry about it.

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Unread postJul 26, 2008#84

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Hi Bianca,
The wonderful thing about our body is how much it self regulates. Not only do our bodies produce hormones, but they constantly monitor how much hormone is in the system and adapt the production to what is there.

External introduction of any whole hormone (as opposed to a precursor agent the body would use to make the hormone) can result in an 'over-dose' and the body will respond by lowering or stopping its own production to try and create balance. This is a temporary response and once the level of the hormone drops to below what the body wants it to be then hormone production would begin again.

So in the case of progesterone, and as well, estrogen, a person using a substance that attaches to the hormone receptors can alter their body's hormone production - temporarily... All that would be needed for the body to restore hormone production would be to stop giving the body the exterior source.

Can a person become addicted to progesterone? Not in the classic sense. Progesterone is very necessary for feelings of wellbeing. Just review the numerous symptoms of estrogen dominance and you will see how a person feels with out enough progesterone. The question would be, can the situation that caused the progesterone imbalance be resolved.

If a person only uses progesterone cream and does nothing to deal with the cause of the symptom in the first place they will never 'balance' - at least not for long. The external source of progesterone will stop the symptoms, but as soon as they quit using the cream the symptoms will return.

If you have read my program then you have seen my earnest attempts at getting to the cause of my estrogen dominance. Not only did I use progesterone cream, but I also did my best to lower exposure to external estrogens. I did many things to resolve stress. I used flaxseed to block my estrogen receptors from more potent estrogen. I also used vitex to try and stimulate my body's natural progesterone production. I took nutritional substances like vitamin C and protein to assist my body with hormone production.

Each time my symptoms abated I lowered or stopped the progesterone cream. I have been constantly on the lookout for signs of progesterone overdose.

You are very wise to be cautious about using progesterone cream. It is a hormone identical to what our body produces. Used incorrectly it can put a person a risk. Used properly and it can be a God-send.

I am very glad I have used progesterone and if my symptoms warrant it I will begin using it again.

Hope this has answered your question,
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Unread postJul 27, 2008#85

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Yes, that did help a lot. I think what I should do is have my hormone levels 'evaluated' first. Would I just go to my doctor and ask them, or is there a way to do it without going through a doctor? I'm worried about hormone levels being normal and that meaning that my boobs were meant to be this side or no program working. I'm fairly certain I have estrogen dominance, I just want to be sure. Or I will just try vitex first since it's not bioidentical. And it is comforting to know that the body will bounce back after a hormone is removed.

I'm also trying to rid myself of false estrogens like pesticides and cleaners. This is one of the hardest things to do. Baking soda and vinegar just doesn't cut it in my bathroom (hard water). Thanks for your insight and the time that you take for each reply that you make.
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Unread postJul 27, 2008#86

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Hi Bianca,
You can order saliva tests online. There are several places - just google saliva test. There are also places you can have blood testing of hormones done without going through your doctor. A company is always sending me a magazine about vitamins and their club members can order blood tests. Here is their internet site:

http://www.lef.org/

Personally they are a bit over the top when it comes to the whole 'aging is a lack of proper nutrition and let us sell you these expensive vitamins' thing, but they do actually follow scientific studies. They just skew everything towards purchasing their products. I have been tempted to become a member just to have access to the blood tests though.

But let's just say you had these tests done and they said your levels were in the normal range. Great news!!! You are healthy!!!

NBE is perfectly possible for those who have hormone balance - in fact I would say it is more likely for those with balance than for those who are out of balance. I am one of those cases who in my attempts to achieve hormone balance I actually grew. This is probably very rare.

Now that I am in a state of balance or near balance I find myself in a precarious predicament. To further increase my breast size using herbal NBE I will cause myself to lose hormonal balance. Let me tell you I have worked too hard to give the balance up. I like feeling healthy.

This newest phase to my NBE is nothing short of remarkable to me. I have held off talking about it that much in part because it really was hard for me to get started, but suction has proven to be a remarkable success for me.

I am not concerned whether I will achieve permanent growth -the method is so easy and maintenance a breeze. So far with suctioning about 30 minutes once or twice a day my breast are constantly bigger than ever before. I am getting swelling of at least an inch every time I suction and the size remains for longer and longer. When I suction more than once a day I seem to retain even more.

I know I am like a kid with a new toy, but really the effects are so meaningful to me and they have come with such little effort I am astounded. And I am still using my cheap, dinky little, ugly pump. I haven't ordered the sleek attractive Noogleberry yet - and if I can make myself get off my butt I will have that Cadillac of pumps soon. (yeah I know all you Brava and BB users- yours are great too, but the Noogle is budget friendly).

So - I try hard not to be the pied piper and call everyone over to the suction side... but it is tempting. I am sure results vary and I must say it took me almost a month to truly become consistent with it. It is not for everyone, but suction may very well be the solution for the poor responders, those with unresolved hormone imbalances, or those seeking non herbal NBE.

So... in my long winded way I am saying Bianca that I am sure you will find a suitable NBE and if you are wanting to forgo the whole herbal route there are definitely some other methods to explore.

Best wishes - and yes, it can be a real bother to avoid solvents. If you must use them then open the windows, use a vapor mask (not just a dust mask), wear double gloves and rinse thoroughly.

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Unread postJul 28, 2008#87

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Waxingmoon, I am happy to hear about your results. The suction induces good feelings all over in addition to quick plumpness in the breasts. It is the only thing I can recommend, and since I can't tell anyone else, I like to share my experience here since it has been so rewarding and not costed past the initial $50 investment. I have had two weeks of kids and houseguests with no privacy and when I woke up this morning my breasts were like back to AA. I got a little time to myself and pumped 15 min. each side (all the time I had today) and this evening my breasts are full again. Drinking lots of fluids is key. I like that I don't have to mess around with herbs and hormones. Pumping can be reinstated; it is not "permanent"; it is "maintained". I feel better about going camping w/o electricity for 9 days now, knowing I can get them back when I return. Amazing and rather natural; we're just fake wet nurses.
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Unread postAug 07, 2008#88

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

I wish I had measured better in the beginning. The tape measure is just not showing the results that I am getting. I am not sure why, except that the breast is such a 3 dimensional object it does not lend itself to a flat tape measure.

The only way I can chart my progress is with bras, and even they are so variable from one to the next. I do have a completely unlined bra that I use and I can definitely say the volume of my breasts is continuing to expand. This unlined bra is a 34b. A month ago I filled it with just a little bit of looseness which I interpreted as making me a small B cup. The looseness is hardly there anymore. I can envision a time when that bra is going to be stretched tight.

It is blowing my mind. aaaaa to B. Wow.

I am also realizing that the shape of my breast is not exactly what I thought it was. I am so used to seeing artificial breasts that I didn't understand how much a breast fills out to the sides. At least that is what is happening to me. They don't point forward as much as they point sort of lateral. What I am saying is that here I have these very normally shaped breasts and I just never realized what the shape of a breast really was. The little flat things I had were always just so 2 dimensional I never had a clue as to what they would look like when they started to fill up.

That is why I stuck with wearing the A cup for so long. Even when it was getting tight and uncomfortable I just didn't think I had grown because they weren't pointing forward.

I just took more photos this last weekend. Wow. They show it. Now don't get me wrong I am not getting a big head about it - and truly they need to be a bit bigger to fit my frame better - but I never, ever though I would get this far.

And more importantly. Had I ever given in and had an artificial enlargement I would never have seen the true shape of my breasts. It is worth every moment of these last nearly 2 years to me to see what I was truly supposed to have breast wise.

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Unread postAug 12, 2008#89

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

Waxingmoon,
I hope you post your last comment on the main page; it is really good. Your comments about natural breasts illustrate why we are here in the first place. We don't want fake boobs, we just want to look our best; not like someone else. There are all shapes and sizes; why not be a tight round a or b cup instead of shooting for a c cup? We all have our own shape, and we will not be sagging in old age. I wonder if you will get to lactating? Hope you are eating well.
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Unread postAug 23, 2008#90

How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day

My current program:

Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day

Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week

I was just wondering how long you took Maca for and how much of an increase you saw while taking it? Also, since you have stopped have you seen a decrease? Do you think it was the Maca that made your butt grow or could it have been any other herbs or exercise that may have been a factor in increasing the butt?
Thanks