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Hi Lynn,
I wonder how many women would opt to surgically alter their forms if they knew that natural enhancement was possible. My goal has always been to create what I think I was designed to have breast wise had I not suffered a hormonal imbalance.
Hi Double D,
The butt enhancing properties of Maca revealed themselves before I had even completed a month of use. Was it the Maca? Well, the effect did not begin until I used the maca. I was taking what turned out to be a huge amount of it. The steady increase halted after I stopped taking the huge amount (but, the butt remained). It might have been a combination of things. My program is quite specific to what I was using with it. Maybe it was just some strange stimulation of estrogen receptors in my butt from the progesterone. All I know for sure is that it has not increased any further... thank God...
I would say I went from an A cup butt to a C cup butt - in other words I was averaging about 36 inches at the biggest part and that increased to 40 inches - now, not all of it is fat, because the cellulite was not enhanced very much. I routinely work out and the shape is very 'lifted'. Just yesterday someone commented on my 'very unsagging' butt... lol. Yeah - it is huge and high and round. I alternate between being horrified and proud of it. It is quite a sight. Had I only had this success with my breasts I would be in D cup territory... lol.
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Unread postSep 01, 2008#93
When I first began taking Maca I took much more than the package recommended. The package said to take 1/2 to 1 teaspoon and I was taking at least 1/2 TABLESPOON (1.5 teaspoons) up to a full TABLESPOON (3 teaspoons)... (Yeah - I was into the more is more idea at that time... lol). This meant I was taking in a minimum of 5250 - 10,000!!!! mg per day. I was very stupid in doing this and it was a good thing the only notable effect was my big ole boingin butt...
I DO NOT recommend anyone use this much - EVER - just because I survived does not make it a good idea.
I would say to limit your dosage to 1000 - 1500 mg per day. That is what I took when I used up the rest of the bag I had and it may have helped me with my breasts at the lower dosage level. It is hard for me to pinpoint what has helped me grow since I do quite a few things and modify my program quite a bit. I do not at all feel it had any breast effect at the higher dosage.
Hope this helps you decide what to do maca-wise. I think it is a worthy herb and may work sort of like fenugreek as a precursor to several hormones. I personally really liked the taste of the gelatenized powder - but now that I have run out I do not plan on using it anymore.
Once again to anyone reading this - my program page is as much a 'what to do' as it is a 'what not to do' kind of story in regards to maca. We need to always use the least amount of any substance that it takes to achieve results. Maca may have been used by people for hundreds of years - but that does not make it safe - anything - even water can kill you if you get too much of it. Thank God my obit will not read "Stupid woman drowns herself in a sea of Maca"
Best wishes,
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Unread postSep 03, 2008#94
I am happy to have my 10 and 13 yr olds back in school and have time to pump 10-15 min each side about 5 days a week. I admit with taking fenugreek seed tablets it is inducing naps, but I take them. It is really important to drink a lot of water. I am looking at shape since starting the fenugreek, and my breasts are going quite wide. It would take a bra to show the size. I think we all dream of that perfect bra that will fit and shape, but largeness counts, and I am happy with where I am now. Fake boobs are just that: FAKE. They are not shaped normal and they are not natural. I hope anyone who is not feeling sexy will wear a white T shirt out downtown one day and see the looks they get. Natural breasts are so much beautiful than fake ones. I would recommend the fenugreek, but watch the nausea in the morning. I'm taking about 6-9 (610 mg capsules)each day in addition to the Evenflo pump and lots of water and rest.
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Unread postSep 05, 2008#95
I have been using suction method now since early July and I am doing about 20 - 30 minutes twice a day. I started with the hideous pink medium sized domes and now I have the attractive large Noogleberry domes as well.
I can't start with the large domes. I have to use the mediums for about 5 - 10 minutes or else the large ones just ineffectively 'fart' air while I furiously pump and at the same time clutch them to my chest with both hands... (think creative use of knees).
I have got to say there is nothing dignified about suction method. When you are successful in getting the domes to cling tight then you have these big ole whopping domes projecting from your chest. I thought the clear domes would add a level of elegance that the pink ones lacked... HA! What I can tell you is now I can clearly see my breasts which is interesting, but not elegant. I mean the big boob in a can look is somewhat impressive, but the 'suctioned' nipple is ... well... disturbing... You are also never going to have the breast centered in the dome, so the nipple will point in various directions. Mine look like a piggy's snout searching for truffles. (no, you will probably never get that image out of your mind...)
However, I am happy, Happy, HAPPY with the results. These are some B cup beauties I am sporting now. My measurement is never down from the 35 inches and it is slightly creeping above it sometimes. Ah the elusive 36 how I long to behold you.
At nipples - 35.007 inches
Below breast - 29 inches
Above breast - 32.5 inches
waist - 27 inches
hips - 36 inches
Big old butt - 40 whopping inches
There is no hour-glass in there, but at least I am not the dreaded triangle.
I have added back more progressive weight training - which means I am doing chest press again. I had slacked off something fierce. I refuse to weigh myself in order to avoid confronting what my eyes are telling me. Shadow is too big... must lose some shadow.
So, I am beginning the quest to lose size without losing boobage. The only way to do that is to push the muscle building so I can tone up as much as lose fat. And the only way to build muscle is to push the weights around... grrr. Must develop my training mind... training mind has turned to jello... must become somebody fierce... like Amazon warrior princess with big ole boobs and a lean muscular body and impressive thighs and buttocks................
...grrr....
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Unread postSep 05, 2008#96
I am an active reader of the forum and I love to read your posts. You have such an exquisite sense of humor and I learned so much from you...thank you for that.
I am taking herbs and 3 days ago I got my NB and started pumping. I saw the pictures from NB forum and it looks very promising however I have medium size nipples already and I wanted to avoid them to increase more. I discovered that when I tape the nipples before I pump they don't change the shape after suction. I know is early days and I didn't start retaining the swelling yet but it might be worth to try.
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Unread postSep 10, 2008#97
i am new to the site and thinking about starting the program...i'm extremely overwhelmed by the amount of information on the site though! You seem to be a great sourse of reliable info...and i was wondering if you minded helping me out a bit??
according to the questionnaires it seems i am estrogen dominant with very low progesterone, low estrogen...
that being the case i picked up some progesterone cream, fenugreek, red clover, and flaxseed oil. why i chose these...not sure they just seemed to be some of the most commonly used and weren't too expensive.
from what you're saying here, i should only use the progesterone cream from days 14-28 and the other estrogenic herbs from days 1-14?? is that right, or should i take the estrogenics everyday? i am thoroughly confused, ha.
thanks for your help!!
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Unread postSep 11, 2008#98
Thanks for the idea about taping the nipples. I am overly sensitive to adhesives, so I probably won't go that route. My nipples and I have had relationship problems from waaaay back - ever since they developed and my breasts did not. Well I say developed - even when 'calm' they project out about an inch and when they are 'upset' -they will not be ignored. I swear they could poke through steel.
One of the reasons I have been such a 'bra' person is that my nipples have always been so -out there. It is like the rest of my breast was an insecure reclusive person and the nipples have been unrelenting politicians wanting to shake hands with everyone they meet. I swear it was like having a flashing neon billboard on my chest - "Here is where the breasts should be!" I think without the nippers I could have been more quietly flat chested.
So now they are finally getting their way and the breasts have started to become more extroverted themselves. That the nipples are going to be enhanced along with the breasts is a given as far as I am concerned. Maybe if they are stretched out they will lose some of their tensile strength. We'll see....
Hi Kyleigh,
You are correct in the usage of progesterone - days 12 - 28. If I were you I would limit the estrogen support to days 1 - 12. I would also not use red clover since it can suppress progesterone. I have found fennel to be effective. The fenugreek may work well for you since it is a galactogogue and will not supply estrogen directly. Be sure with it to monitor your symptoms since it is known to lower blood sugar. Be on the lookout for unexplained headaches, etc.
With all your herbs you are looking for the minimal dosage to get the job done. Be sure to ramp up - meaning start with smaller dosages then gradually increase.
You will also want to make sure your diet is high in protein and you may want to take some extra vitamin C. This will help you body to build the hormones you need.
Good luck with your quest. If you haven't already, build a program page. It can be invaluable in tracking your progress. I will be glad to help you in any way I can. Let me know if you have further questions.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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Unread postSep 14, 2008#99
i'm 23 and my size is 31aa(not sure, too small to be measured). 158cm and 46kg. Always single.
Coffee drinker since 17, 1-2 cups each day, stop drinking for a week now. Non-smoker, non-drinker. I will have bad menstruation cramps on the first day of period, had to take at least 3 panadols to ease the pain and discomfort! However the cramp had reduced so much during the last period, no painkillers needed! Good sign due to taking the herbs?
I took grobust for 2 mths about 1/2 year ago (i discontinue as nothing visible happen, only felt a slight fleshy-ness on my boobs for a while). Too expensive for the sake of experimentation.
I had started on nbe for about 2mths or so with different herbs i bought off shelf or made by myself. AND ONLY YESTERDAY I REALISED I HAD BEEN TAKING UNDERDOSE HERBS!
Here's my rather irregular timeline for taking the herbs (once a day):
-1x500mg FG for about 2 mths,
-1x1000mg fennel seed for about 2mth(capsules i made myself, grinded seeds, is this ok?)
-2x 500mg Evening primose oil for about 1.5 mths (changed to 2x1000mg since this week)
-2x 160mg saw palmetto for 1 mth (softgels, indicated to contain 160mg (berry), 85-95%fatty acids, 'clinical potency'. I'm not sure if i got this type of SP softgels correct.
-1 tablet bio iron tablets( i took 1 instead of 3 per day as stated on the bottle) for 2mths
- 1x500mg 'memory boost' pills, for my bad memory, but will include in my list here since it contains ginko biloba leaf extract 40mg per capsule, for 2 weeks.
FOOD:
-500ml full cream milk powder(4-5 full tablespoons) + purple wild yam powder every night (1-2 table spoons) each night since 1.5mths
-plus other soy/proteins like eggs and soy beverage which are taken on less regular basis.
-i might add 1 table spoon of pure purifica mirifica into my milk, but had stopped cos i had bought the last box of it from the shop and they seem to have no intention of bringing in the product in the future. I have been looking out for similar product
despite of the underdosing, i experience tingling and slight pain sensation on my right breast these few days, YIPPIE! My left breast is actually slightly bigger than my right, and i felt slightly fullness in both of them, but not quite visible to the eyes.
Infact in where i lived, its not easy to get herb capsules, other than those common ones, and is sooo overpriced! Those we buy from the shelf can cost at least 10 times more expensive than DIY herb capsules. I have problems getting mexican wild yam/wild yam roots here, so i took purple yam powder instead, was said to be nutritional for boobs, but not sure about potency
After reading the programs stated on the forum, i wonder is there any minimum or average dosage of herbs to be taken for nbe programs.
However, in the meantime i'll take this amount of herbs from now on:
2x500mg FG
1x160mg SP
2x500mg fennel seed
2x1000mg EPO
1x500mg of 'memory boost) -- 40mg gingko biloba
1 bio iron tablet
---- 3x daily, morning, afternoon and before sleep + my boobie diet.
Is is enough? Do i have to change doses according to the monthly cycle?
In fact i'm worried about having problems in my womb as i was said to have andenomyosis with the sudden change in hormones. I WANT BOOBS!!! I WANT CONFIDENCE!
Sorry for the long message! pls help!
regards,
celerica
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Unread postSep 29, 2008#100
The storm itself...
What a hurricane. It was technically only a category 2, but by some weird twist of fate it was also a category 4 in the upper winds and it had more kinetic energy than any other hurricane in the gulf coast in the last 40 years. On Saturday September 13, 2008 it threw its worst at us from midnight to 4am. Luckily the path veered slightly east after that and the worst side of the storm went to beat up someone else. I was awake through the whole thing and was hoping to see the eye, but the shift put that to the east as well. I saw the sky lit by multiple flashes of brilliant purple and green lightning that was completely and eirily silent. I saw mighty oaks dancing in the wind. I heard incredible howling of the wind that about every 5 minutes became a tremendous roar as we were buffeted by enormous down-drafts of wind that were near tornadic in force.
As the hours wore on the adrenalin and fear and fatigue made me much less afraid and I watched from an upstairs window as the live oaks surrounding my parents house created a vegetable limbo dance of dramatic proportions. Some of the trunks nearly two feet in diameter bent almost their entire 30 foot length to the ground and back again over and over and over as each downdraft hit. It was mesmerizing and each flash of lightning highlighted the scene. How those trees made it through without breaking themselves or the house is a mystery to me. At 4am the 'good' side of the storm shifted over us and from then on until about 8 am it was just a steady sideways rain a continual howling wind without the gusts.
We lost power at about 3 am after a series of a dozen or more brief blackouts. All you could hear after that was the wind and the rain. It finally stopped raining about noon. Although the street directly in front of the house was passable we were trapped. All the major roads were flooded. There were so many trees down and power lines down high water and destruction- they were calling for everyone to shelter in place. They even instituted a curfew over the entire city. Of the 4 million residents in the Houston area it was estimated that a majority were without power. More than half the traffic lights were malfunctioning. Many homes suffered major damage from fallen trees, torn apart roofs and for some rising flood waters from the many bayous in the city. We listened to the radio and heard of fires raging out of control and other accounts of destruction.
We were lucky at our evacuation site -my parents home. There was no damage to the house and no flooding. But, my husband and I were assuming the worst about our house. We are only about 20 feet above see level and they had predicted at least a 25 foot storm surge in the ship channel. Our home is less than 2 miles from the channel. We had to wait all day Saturday until Sunday afternoon before we could venture out and assess the damage. It was a hard drive to make. The city was in shambles. Our neighborhood was hard to reach there were so many trees down. We had to backtrack several times. Finally we made it home. The water never reached us we were high and dry. No windows broken, no roof leak. We were truly blessed. Our back yard was a nightmare. Huge branches down crushing our fence. One massive fig tree blown 45 degrees and resting in my garden. Our neighbors roof and truck smothered by a branch from one of our trees. But thankfully neither their roof or truck was damaged.
So we were blessed, but we still 'suffered'. No power at all for almost 2 weeks. At first all we had to eat or drink was what we had stockpiled before the storm. No stores were open. The water was not safe to drink. The ice ran out fast and it took a couple of days before the national guard was able to truck in supplies. Everywhere was long, long lines to get anything at all. You don't realize what living in a city of millions means until you are vying with them for scant resources. There was no gas available, so if you had not filled up before the storm you were out of luck. We finally got a generator, but it drank a lot of gas. We had to syphone gas from our cars to feed it so we could have a little power to try and save what was in the freezer and to boil water so we could use it. We finally gave up on the freezer and grilled up all the meats and gave the neighborhood what we couldn't eat. After several days I was able to wait it out in a gas line and get more fuel for the generator. Then some power came back on at a few stores. We waited for about an hour and got some sandwiches at a shop. Finally the power came on at my parent's house and we stayed with them until our home got power.
I have camped out before for over a week at a time doing without the comforts of modern life roughing it in scenic venues by choice. City camping leaves a lot to be desired. I went days without showers because I just couldn't handle the idea of cold contaminated water. It was hot and the mosquitoes thrived in the wet environment. It was very boring. We got up with the dawn and struggled to get basic necessities for the day. Our biggest concern was whether we were going to get ice that day. We tried to sleep when the light faded, but sleep was fitfull. I ate foods I normally would shun and I developed a craving for candy and cokes that would have shamed me at any other time. But I let it go because after all it was 'hurricane survival eating'. We were all exhausted. Then the lights came back on and they seemed almost too bright. The TV became the most interesting thing we were like primitives crowding around the box with moving pictures. Images of the storm came our way. It was almost too much to watch.
Thankfully things are getting back to normal in most ways now.
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Two weeks. That's all it took to change my life. Here are some lessons I learned.
I am not really as finiky of an eater as I think I am. Foods that are normally revolting to me and I would never eat become very appealing after 5 days of tuna in a can for meals. (day 1 and I was turning my nose up at the sausage kolache day 5 and I was asking for seconds)
People do not change during a crisis, but they reveal who they truly are. Those with good characters do good works. Those with rotten characters take advantage of situations. (many people shared what they had and helped their neighbors with storm recovery but I cannot tell you how many people I saw stealing street signs, jumping their turn at intersections and dumping trash on other people's property)
Good habits don't die hard, they hardly struggle. I am not as internally driven as I thought. Remove the boundaries of my normal life and I react very differently. (this is about how I gave up my exercise and vitamin life to take on a new life of sloth and junk food eating)
My parents are really great people and I should spend more time with them.
I love my dogs and cats, but after 3 days of sleeping with the 'livestock' I was more than ready for an animal free zone. (after day 3 we were able to take the cats back to our house since they prefer the outdoor life thankfully this also meant no more litter box and no more 2 am caterwailing)
The world goes on even if my part of it falls apart.
It is easier to get back to normal when you have electricity.
Be it ever so humble there is no place like home. (while we were anticipating the storms arrival we had already given the house up for lost and were planning the new house we would build in its place. As we arrived back at the house after the storm it was sort of Hooray the house made it! followed by Oh, rats, the house made it... lol)
My tragedy of financial loss, inconvenience, headaches, uncomfortableness, and weight gain are nothing. I am truly blessed. God help those poor souls who lost their homes and livelihoods. (The images from Galveston strike us deep it was a place we visited often. It will never be the same.)
Best wishes,
a very humbled waxingmoon
I wonder how many women would opt to surgically alter their forms if they knew that natural enhancement was possible. My goal has always been to create what I think I was designed to have breast wise had I not suffered a hormonal imbalance.
Hi Double D,
The butt enhancing properties of Maca revealed themselves before I had even completed a month of use. Was it the Maca? Well, the effect did not begin until I used the maca. I was taking what turned out to be a huge amount of it. The steady increase halted after I stopped taking the huge amount (but, the butt remained). It might have been a combination of things. My program is quite specific to what I was using with it. Maybe it was just some strange stimulation of estrogen receptors in my butt from the progesterone. All I know for sure is that it has not increased any further... thank God...
I would say I went from an A cup butt to a C cup butt - in other words I was averaging about 36 inches at the biggest part and that increased to 40 inches - now, not all of it is fat, because the cellulite was not enhanced very much. I routinely work out and the shape is very 'lifted'. Just yesterday someone commented on my 'very unsagging' butt... lol. Yeah - it is huge and high and round. I alternate between being horrified and proud of it. It is quite a sight. Had I only had this success with my breasts I would be in D cup territory... lol.
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Unread postSep 01, 2008#92
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):I really appreciate you getting back to me. Exactly how much did you end up taking of the Maca? I know you started out at 1/2 a tsp, but did you increase this dosage? I am taking the capsules and they are 750 mg which I thought is quite alot per capsule and the bottle says up to 4 capsules a day can be taken. I have started out a one but I may increase the dosage. If I were you I would be proud of my big butt! At least its not all fat and cellulite. As for Maca as a breast enhancement, did you see an increases? Also, congrats on your results so far and thanks for your posts.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
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Unread postSep 01, 2008#93
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hi Double D,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
When I first began taking Maca I took much more than the package recommended. The package said to take 1/2 to 1 teaspoon and I was taking at least 1/2 TABLESPOON (1.5 teaspoons) up to a full TABLESPOON (3 teaspoons)... (Yeah - I was into the more is more idea at that time... lol). This meant I was taking in a minimum of 5250 - 10,000!!!! mg per day. I was very stupid in doing this and it was a good thing the only notable effect was my big ole boingin butt...
I DO NOT recommend anyone use this much - EVER - just because I survived does not make it a good idea.
I would say to limit your dosage to 1000 - 1500 mg per day. That is what I took when I used up the rest of the bag I had and it may have helped me with my breasts at the lower dosage level. It is hard for me to pinpoint what has helped me grow since I do quite a few things and modify my program quite a bit. I do not at all feel it had any breast effect at the higher dosage.
Hope this helps you decide what to do maca-wise. I think it is a worthy herb and may work sort of like fenugreek as a precursor to several hormones. I personally really liked the taste of the gelatenized powder - but now that I have run out I do not plan on using it anymore.
Once again to anyone reading this - my program page is as much a 'what to do' as it is a 'what not to do' kind of story in regards to maca. We need to always use the least amount of any substance that it takes to achieve results. Maca may have been used by people for hundreds of years - but that does not make it safe - anything - even water can kill you if you get too much of it. Thank God my obit will not read "Stupid woman drowns herself in a sea of Maca"
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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Unread postSep 03, 2008#94
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hi Waxingmoon,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I am happy to have my 10 and 13 yr olds back in school and have time to pump 10-15 min each side about 5 days a week. I admit with taking fenugreek seed tablets it is inducing naps, but I take them. It is really important to drink a lot of water. I am looking at shape since starting the fenugreek, and my breasts are going quite wide. It would take a bra to show the size. I think we all dream of that perfect bra that will fit and shape, but largeness counts, and I am happy with where I am now. Fake boobs are just that: FAKE. They are not shaped normal and they are not natural. I hope anyone who is not feeling sexy will wear a white T shirt out downtown one day and see the looks they get. Natural breasts are so much beautiful than fake ones. I would recommend the fenugreek, but watch the nausea in the morning. I'm taking about 6-9 (610 mg capsules)each day in addition to the Evenflo pump and lots of water and rest.
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Unread postSep 05, 2008#95
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):I thought it was time for an update...
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I have been using suction method now since early July and I am doing about 20 - 30 minutes twice a day. I started with the hideous pink medium sized domes and now I have the attractive large Noogleberry domes as well.
I can't start with the large domes. I have to use the mediums for about 5 - 10 minutes or else the large ones just ineffectively 'fart' air while I furiously pump and at the same time clutch them to my chest with both hands... (think creative use of knees).
I have got to say there is nothing dignified about suction method. When you are successful in getting the domes to cling tight then you have these big ole whopping domes projecting from your chest. I thought the clear domes would add a level of elegance that the pink ones lacked... HA! What I can tell you is now I can clearly see my breasts which is interesting, but not elegant. I mean the big boob in a can look is somewhat impressive, but the 'suctioned' nipple is ... well... disturbing... You are also never going to have the breast centered in the dome, so the nipple will point in various directions. Mine look like a piggy's snout searching for truffles. (no, you will probably never get that image out of your mind...)
However, I am happy, Happy, HAPPY with the results. These are some B cup beauties I am sporting now. My measurement is never down from the 35 inches and it is slightly creeping above it sometimes. Ah the elusive 36 how I long to behold you.
At nipples - 35.007 inches
Below breast - 29 inches
Above breast - 32.5 inches
waist - 27 inches
hips - 36 inches
Big old butt - 40 whopping inches
There is no hour-glass in there, but at least I am not the dreaded triangle.
I have added back more progressive weight training - which means I am doing chest press again. I had slacked off something fierce. I refuse to weigh myself in order to avoid confronting what my eyes are telling me. Shadow is too big... must lose some shadow.
So, I am beginning the quest to lose size without losing boobage. The only way to do that is to push the muscle building so I can tone up as much as lose fat. And the only way to build muscle is to push the weights around... grrr. Must develop my training mind... training mind has turned to jello... must become somebody fierce... like Amazon warrior princess with big ole boobs and a lean muscular body and impressive thighs and buttocks................
...grrr....
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Unread postSep 05, 2008#96
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hi Waxingmoon,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I am an active reader of the forum and I love to read your posts. You have such an exquisite sense of humor and I learned so much from you...thank you for that.
I am taking herbs and 3 days ago I got my NB and started pumping. I saw the pictures from NB forum and it looks very promising however I have medium size nipples already and I wanted to avoid them to increase more. I discovered that when I tape the nipples before I pump they don't change the shape after suction. I know is early days and I didn't start retaining the swelling yet but it might be worth to try.
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Unread postSep 10, 2008#97
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hey waxingmoon,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
i am new to the site and thinking about starting the program...i'm extremely overwhelmed by the amount of information on the site though! You seem to be a great sourse of reliable info...and i was wondering if you minded helping me out a bit??
according to the questionnaires it seems i am estrogen dominant with very low progesterone, low estrogen...
that being the case i picked up some progesterone cream, fenugreek, red clover, and flaxseed oil. why i chose these...not sure they just seemed to be some of the most commonly used and weren't too expensive.
from what you're saying here, i should only use the progesterone cream from days 14-28 and the other estrogenic herbs from days 1-14?? is that right, or should i take the estrogenics everyday? i am thoroughly confused, ha.
thanks for your help!!
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Unread postSep 11, 2008#98
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hi DesJ,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Thanks for the idea about taping the nipples. I am overly sensitive to adhesives, so I probably won't go that route. My nipples and I have had relationship problems from waaaay back - ever since they developed and my breasts did not. Well I say developed - even when 'calm' they project out about an inch and when they are 'upset' -they will not be ignored. I swear they could poke through steel.
One of the reasons I have been such a 'bra' person is that my nipples have always been so -out there. It is like the rest of my breast was an insecure reclusive person and the nipples have been unrelenting politicians wanting to shake hands with everyone they meet. I swear it was like having a flashing neon billboard on my chest - "Here is where the breasts should be!" I think without the nippers I could have been more quietly flat chested.
So now they are finally getting their way and the breasts have started to become more extroverted themselves. That the nipples are going to be enhanced along with the breasts is a given as far as I am concerned. Maybe if they are stretched out they will lose some of their tensile strength. We'll see....
Hi Kyleigh,
You are correct in the usage of progesterone - days 12 - 28. If I were you I would limit the estrogen support to days 1 - 12. I would also not use red clover since it can suppress progesterone. I have found fennel to be effective. The fenugreek may work well for you since it is a galactogogue and will not supply estrogen directly. Be sure with it to monitor your symptoms since it is known to lower blood sugar. Be on the lookout for unexplained headaches, etc.
With all your herbs you are looking for the minimal dosage to get the job done. Be sure to ramp up - meaning start with smaller dosages then gradually increase.
You will also want to make sure your diet is high in protein and you may want to take some extra vitamin C. This will help you body to build the hormones you need.
Good luck with your quest. If you haven't already, build a program page. It can be invaluable in tracking your progress. I will be glad to help you in any way I can. Let me know if you have further questions.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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Unread postSep 14, 2008#99
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):HI waxingmoon, i'm new to nbe rather confused with whats going on.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
i'm 23 and my size is 31aa(not sure, too small to be measured). 158cm and 46kg. Always single.
Coffee drinker since 17, 1-2 cups each day, stop drinking for a week now. Non-smoker, non-drinker. I will have bad menstruation cramps on the first day of period, had to take at least 3 panadols to ease the pain and discomfort! However the cramp had reduced so much during the last period, no painkillers needed! Good sign due to taking the herbs?
I took grobust for 2 mths about 1/2 year ago (i discontinue as nothing visible happen, only felt a slight fleshy-ness on my boobs for a while). Too expensive for the sake of experimentation.
I had started on nbe for about 2mths or so with different herbs i bought off shelf or made by myself. AND ONLY YESTERDAY I REALISED I HAD BEEN TAKING UNDERDOSE HERBS!
Here's my rather irregular timeline for taking the herbs (once a day):
-1x500mg FG for about 2 mths,
-1x1000mg fennel seed for about 2mth(capsules i made myself, grinded seeds, is this ok?)
-2x 500mg Evening primose oil for about 1.5 mths (changed to 2x1000mg since this week)
-2x 160mg saw palmetto for 1 mth (softgels, indicated to contain 160mg (berry), 85-95%fatty acids, 'clinical potency'. I'm not sure if i got this type of SP softgels correct.
-1 tablet bio iron tablets( i took 1 instead of 3 per day as stated on the bottle) for 2mths
- 1x500mg 'memory boost' pills, for my bad memory, but will include in my list here since it contains ginko biloba leaf extract 40mg per capsule, for 2 weeks.
FOOD:
-500ml full cream milk powder(4-5 full tablespoons) + purple wild yam powder every night (1-2 table spoons) each night since 1.5mths
-plus other soy/proteins like eggs and soy beverage which are taken on less regular basis.
-i might add 1 table spoon of pure purifica mirifica into my milk, but had stopped cos i had bought the last box of it from the shop and they seem to have no intention of bringing in the product in the future. I have been looking out for similar product
despite of the underdosing, i experience tingling and slight pain sensation on my right breast these few days, YIPPIE! My left breast is actually slightly bigger than my right, and i felt slightly fullness in both of them, but not quite visible to the eyes.
Infact in where i lived, its not easy to get herb capsules, other than those common ones, and is sooo overpriced! Those we buy from the shelf can cost at least 10 times more expensive than DIY herb capsules. I have problems getting mexican wild yam/wild yam roots here, so i took purple yam powder instead, was said to be nutritional for boobs, but not sure about potency
After reading the programs stated on the forum, i wonder is there any minimum or average dosage of herbs to be taken for nbe programs.
However, in the meantime i'll take this amount of herbs from now on:
2x500mg FG
1x160mg SP
2x500mg fennel seed
2x1000mg EPO
1x500mg of 'memory boost) -- 40mg gingko biloba
1 bio iron tablet
---- 3x daily, morning, afternoon and before sleep + my boobie diet.
Is is enough? Do i have to change doses according to the monthly cycle?
In fact i'm worried about having problems in my womb as i was said to have andenomyosis with the sudden change in hormones. I WANT BOOBS!!! I WANT CONFIDENCE!
Sorry for the long message! pls help!
regards,
celerica
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Unread postSep 29, 2008#100
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):My personal storm lessons leaned from Hurricane Ike
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
The storm itself...
What a hurricane. It was technically only a category 2, but by some weird twist of fate it was also a category 4 in the upper winds and it had more kinetic energy than any other hurricane in the gulf coast in the last 40 years. On Saturday September 13, 2008 it threw its worst at us from midnight to 4am. Luckily the path veered slightly east after that and the worst side of the storm went to beat up someone else. I was awake through the whole thing and was hoping to see the eye, but the shift put that to the east as well. I saw the sky lit by multiple flashes of brilliant purple and green lightning that was completely and eirily silent. I saw mighty oaks dancing in the wind. I heard incredible howling of the wind that about every 5 minutes became a tremendous roar as we were buffeted by enormous down-drafts of wind that were near tornadic in force.
As the hours wore on the adrenalin and fear and fatigue made me much less afraid and I watched from an upstairs window as the live oaks surrounding my parents house created a vegetable limbo dance of dramatic proportions. Some of the trunks nearly two feet in diameter bent almost their entire 30 foot length to the ground and back again over and over and over as each downdraft hit. It was mesmerizing and each flash of lightning highlighted the scene. How those trees made it through without breaking themselves or the house is a mystery to me. At 4am the 'good' side of the storm shifted over us and from then on until about 8 am it was just a steady sideways rain a continual howling wind without the gusts.
We lost power at about 3 am after a series of a dozen or more brief blackouts. All you could hear after that was the wind and the rain. It finally stopped raining about noon. Although the street directly in front of the house was passable we were trapped. All the major roads were flooded. There were so many trees down and power lines down high water and destruction- they were calling for everyone to shelter in place. They even instituted a curfew over the entire city. Of the 4 million residents in the Houston area it was estimated that a majority were without power. More than half the traffic lights were malfunctioning. Many homes suffered major damage from fallen trees, torn apart roofs and for some rising flood waters from the many bayous in the city. We listened to the radio and heard of fires raging out of control and other accounts of destruction.
We were lucky at our evacuation site -my parents home. There was no damage to the house and no flooding. But, my husband and I were assuming the worst about our house. We are only about 20 feet above see level and they had predicted at least a 25 foot storm surge in the ship channel. Our home is less than 2 miles from the channel. We had to wait all day Saturday until Sunday afternoon before we could venture out and assess the damage. It was a hard drive to make. The city was in shambles. Our neighborhood was hard to reach there were so many trees down. We had to backtrack several times. Finally we made it home. The water never reached us we were high and dry. No windows broken, no roof leak. We were truly blessed. Our back yard was a nightmare. Huge branches down crushing our fence. One massive fig tree blown 45 degrees and resting in my garden. Our neighbors roof and truck smothered by a branch from one of our trees. But thankfully neither their roof or truck was damaged.
So we were blessed, but we still 'suffered'. No power at all for almost 2 weeks. At first all we had to eat or drink was what we had stockpiled before the storm. No stores were open. The water was not safe to drink. The ice ran out fast and it took a couple of days before the national guard was able to truck in supplies. Everywhere was long, long lines to get anything at all. You don't realize what living in a city of millions means until you are vying with them for scant resources. There was no gas available, so if you had not filled up before the storm you were out of luck. We finally got a generator, but it drank a lot of gas. We had to syphone gas from our cars to feed it so we could have a little power to try and save what was in the freezer and to boil water so we could use it. We finally gave up on the freezer and grilled up all the meats and gave the neighborhood what we couldn't eat. After several days I was able to wait it out in a gas line and get more fuel for the generator. Then some power came back on at a few stores. We waited for about an hour and got some sandwiches at a shop. Finally the power came on at my parent's house and we stayed with them until our home got power.
I have camped out before for over a week at a time doing without the comforts of modern life roughing it in scenic venues by choice. City camping leaves a lot to be desired. I went days without showers because I just couldn't handle the idea of cold contaminated water. It was hot and the mosquitoes thrived in the wet environment. It was very boring. We got up with the dawn and struggled to get basic necessities for the day. Our biggest concern was whether we were going to get ice that day. We tried to sleep when the light faded, but sleep was fitfull. I ate foods I normally would shun and I developed a craving for candy and cokes that would have shamed me at any other time. But I let it go because after all it was 'hurricane survival eating'. We were all exhausted. Then the lights came back on and they seemed almost too bright. The TV became the most interesting thing we were like primitives crowding around the box with moving pictures. Images of the storm came our way. It was almost too much to watch.
Thankfully things are getting back to normal in most ways now.
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Two weeks. That's all it took to change my life. Here are some lessons I learned.
I am not really as finiky of an eater as I think I am. Foods that are normally revolting to me and I would never eat become very appealing after 5 days of tuna in a can for meals. (day 1 and I was turning my nose up at the sausage kolache day 5 and I was asking for seconds)
People do not change during a crisis, but they reveal who they truly are. Those with good characters do good works. Those with rotten characters take advantage of situations. (many people shared what they had and helped their neighbors with storm recovery but I cannot tell you how many people I saw stealing street signs, jumping their turn at intersections and dumping trash on other people's property)
Good habits don't die hard, they hardly struggle. I am not as internally driven as I thought. Remove the boundaries of my normal life and I react very differently. (this is about how I gave up my exercise and vitamin life to take on a new life of sloth and junk food eating)
My parents are really great people and I should spend more time with them.
I love my dogs and cats, but after 3 days of sleeping with the 'livestock' I was more than ready for an animal free zone. (after day 3 we were able to take the cats back to our house since they prefer the outdoor life thankfully this also meant no more litter box and no more 2 am caterwailing)
The world goes on even if my part of it falls apart.
It is easier to get back to normal when you have electricity.
Be it ever so humble there is no place like home. (while we were anticipating the storms arrival we had already given the house up for lost and were planning the new house we would build in its place. As we arrived back at the house after the storm it was sort of Hooray the house made it! followed by Oh, rats, the house made it... lol)
My tragedy of financial loss, inconvenience, headaches, uncomfortableness, and weight gain are nothing. I am truly blessed. God help those poor souls who lost their homes and livelihoods. (The images from Galveston strike us deep it was a place we visited often. It will never be the same.)
Best wishes,
a very humbled waxingmoon