25-01-2022, 02:13
Hi!
thanks for your reply.
Well, i'm proabably going to start on the P-cream for my luteal stage coming in a few days to see what i can do with this. I was concerned at first that i shouldn't because of my age, but i'm 23 and in my "reproductive" years which in this case can be used for PC. And after doing some research and asking questions it seems like it coule be beneficial. Though i'm young, i had the same stressful childhood and remember when my chest started to develope, and they were the most akward and strange shape for a long time until one day when i was like 18 i noticed they had finally "rounded out," but i am convinced they haven't grown to their potential and that i have a major hormone imbalnce. My dad's side(6 sisters) are all heavy set women with big calves, and big huge breasts, while my moms side (2 sisters and my grandmother) all have b's. I looked into the list of est. dominant symtoms and it sure looks like me, so i thought why not give it a try. I'm still young so i think there might be a chance to jump-start my breasts into a healthy growth again? who knows until i try it.... we'll see. I am happy where i'm at, i'm 34b (not really full though)...i just "fit" my one un-padded 34b, while my others are "fake" as well with pushup, that actually doesnt push anything up!! lol...i have those breasts that kinda just sit on your body with no "surface" or upper breast tissue, so "pushing them up" doesnt really do anything aesthetically except give me a more rounded shape under my shirts.....OH WELL!..... that's why im on this insane boobie quest, to see what in the world i can do, LOL!
you're an encouragement though, seeing your hardwork makes all of us other women really appreciate the imput you've got!....
After reading tons of posts, what do you think is best for younger women like myself who are probably estrogen dominant (sypmtoms,as well as estrogenic herbs not promoting too much activity)...? any advice?
thanks tons.
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Unread postFeb 11, 2009#112
Keep us updated, and keep up that awesome sense of humor, I think everyone here really appreciates a good laugh as we all make this NBE journey!
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Unread postApr 09, 2009#113
I have not used the Noogle, I have barely massaged... I am still using fennel at small dosages and all my other supplements. I am not currently using progesterone cream.
Right now my mind is focused on losing body fat and I can't seem to rev up to do that and do NBE at the same time.
I am fully willing for my breasts to lose some size - I have confidence if they do I can bring them back. So far they seem oblivious to my weight loss. They are still hanging in there as B cuppers. This is probably because my body fat is also oblivious to the change in my regime.
GAHHH.... I am eating about 1200 to 1500 calories per day and sometimes less. I am exercising daily and getting more aerobic exercise each week. I have been doing this for a month and a half... I have lost about 4 pounds total.
So, apparently I have become famine proof. Who knew?? Some days because of my crazy, busy schedule I know I barely got 1000 calories in... a big no no in my book - but did my body notice... nah. I barely felt more hungry than normal. Do I even have a metabolism any more?? ((***SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH*** Woman living with absolutely no metabolic activity whatsoever. She gains weight just by breathing....))
Yeah, I am tired more, but that is just because I am enjoying the delight of 14 and 16 hour days.... grrr...
So to recap:
NBE - nada
Breast size - oblivious
Food consumption - miniscule
Fat reduction - unmeasurable
Weight reduction - 4 measly pounds
Whining - higher than ever
grrrr,
waxingmoon
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Unread postApr 30, 2009#114
Actually saddle is a great analogy to the use of a breast pump. First you have to lasso those fillies with the domes and then cinch them up tight for the ride... Lucky for me there have been no bucking bronco results from them (I could just read the headlines now "Woman knocked cold by her breasts, strange contraption found in home, neighbors stunned 'She was always such a quiet person'...)
So anyway this is like, what the 3rd or 4th day I have used the Noogleberry again. I am doing it most days twice a day for 30 to 45 minutes at a time.
Perhaps there will be a stronger response this time since they have had their 'rest'. I was not disappointed in the effect from the first time, but I am not one of the 'amazing' responders like some who use Noogleberry.
The only herb I currently use is Fennel - just 2 capsules a day to give a slight boost to estrogen. My estrogen dominance symptoms are not too bad so I haven't been using progesterone cream, but I am considering it for this month. I have been having headaches and they may respond to this treatment like they did before.
Through all this hiatus I maintained the B cup I grew to. There is not as much fluff at the top of the breast as there was when I was using the Noogle, but that has already come back a bit with just a few days work.
Body fat is lower, but my weight is still about the same. Lean is good, but I wish it was going a little faster. But hey - the boobs are hanging in there so slow weight loss is probably better all around.
My vitamin regime is essentially the same as it was before. My exercise is about the same, but aerobic exercise will be increasing since we are getting a treadmill for the house. That might change things quite a bit... we'll see.
Oh yeah - the buttocks are still standing tall and proud. I am still getting complements on them. Have considered setting up a website just for them, but they already get too much attention as it is. It cracks me up when I read the posts 'Will MACA make my butt bigger?' - Yeah. Yeah it will.
So anyway before I drone on any further...
waxingmoon
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Unread postJun 13, 2009#115
I am in a stall for now. I have been using the Noogleberry and getting really nice response - already close to where I was at the point it took me several months during my first go round.
Now I have painful fibrocystic breast response again.... SIGH! It is sort of like my breasts have an internal stop sign going. No bigger than this they say.
Which I know is a lie because with Noogle they did get bigger than this - but yes, they will get their way... the lousy little whiners!
So what this all means is that my estrogen dominance must be dealt with more stringently than I have been. I admit I have been lazy. I only occasionally used the progesterone cream. I would use just enough to dampen down the symptoms - but actually I wasn't getting all the symptoms - just the ones I was aware of.
A little bit of stress on my system and the whole health came crashing down. I had an allergy reaction to whatever is blooming around here this year and it went on and on. Then it acted like a sinus infection with a subnormal and then low-grade fever. This went on for weeks. Then came the profound fatigue and insomnia and well... nearly the whole list of estrogen dominance symptoms.
At least I think I have a handle of why I am such an ED princess. I have a mild genetic disorder that means my liver does not produce enough of a certain enzyme. This makes it hard for my liver to detoxify various drugs, but also it cannot detoxify estrogen. I just found out by doing more research into what I had always been assured was a completely benign condition. Benign my ass! Benign does not mean you can barely get out of bed fatigued and have a highly dangerous hormone (estrogen) building up to toxic levels.
So - I have added a lot of other supplements to help my liver make more of its enzyme. I also cut out fennel completely. I am using progesterone 20mg days 12 - 28 and I will for 6 month straight regardless of symptoms abating.
I also am eating a lot more red meat (helps build blood cells - something my body tends to break down too quickly) and lots of spinach. So far I am a little less tired.
So anyway -wah, wah, wah.. snivel. Yeah, I will be right as rain soon and back on the noogle when the fibrocysts disappear like they did when I correctly treated my ED before. I also am much, much less trusting of what my doctor says as far as 'benign' conditions. I trust my own research a lot more now.
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Unread postJul 04, 2009#116
Yeah, I know I said I was frustrated before, but now I REALLY am.
I did one session of Noogleberry 2 days ago and my breasts are very sore still. I only did a 30 minute session.
I am in the luteal phase and I guess I am experiencing some greater estrogen dominance since I began using progesterone cream last month. I am using it from day 12 - 28 at 20 mg. I should expect greater symptoms since it is waking up dormant estrogen receptors, but I like that idea in theory much better than having to live it.
At least I am over the worst of my fatigue symptoms. I feel I have a much greater handle on my slow to detox liver system than I did a couple of months ago. I have to watch it though. Everything is in such precarious balance.
What I am doing right now that could be considered NBE:
EPO
Papaya Enzyme
Vitamin C
Protein
Massage with lavender oil
Occasional Noogle session
I am taking a ton of supplements that are for general health and to support liver enzymes. Someday soon I will update my supplement profile.
I have not made any gains, but also I have not lost anything either.
I am not done with NBE. I really do want to gain that elusive C cup even if I decide to go back to the B cup. With Noogle that is the option. If I like the C cup then I will Noogle for however long it takes to make it permanent.
Yet here I sit while everyone else is doing NBE. Making plans. Dreaming dreams. Combating estrogen dominance. Sighing.
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Unread postJul 17, 2009#117
She is adding hops to help with the booby growth. The package already arrived in the mail.
For a good place to get maca, just go to http://macaandherbshop.blogspot.com/
They also send weekly tips to customers in their email.
I love maca; now I have a curvy bump instead of a board back there! LOL!
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Unread postSep 01, 2009#118
I have not gone back to using the Noogleberry yet, but I am noticing a general increase in breast size now from an increase in my vitamin D amount. I have also been taking supplements to help with energy formation and to assist my liver in detoxifying. Something is happening even though I am not doing what it typical for NBE.
I would estimate that recently I have grown a half cup size just from the change in my supplements. I now am fitting as a very full B cup.
Below is the very lengthy account of what I am doing... I also include the reasons I take each supplement and included my nutrition and exercise information as well because heck... everyone needs a good sleep aid... lol. Good luck reading it all...
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Supplements for General Health
Multivitamin
C
B-12
Potassium
E
Calcium and Magnesium
Chromium Picolinate
D3
CoQ10
Bromelain
Fish Oil
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Supplements to help me Sleep
Melatonin
L-Tryptophan
GABA
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Supplements to help my Thyroid function
Selinium
Cod Liver oil
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Supplements to help with Energy
L-Arginine
Acetyl L-Carnitine
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Biotin
Creatine Monohydrate
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Supplements to help my Liver function
Quercetin
Taurine
Calcium D-Glucarate
Milk Thistle
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Supplements for Estrogen Dominance issues and NBE
C
Protein Powder
Crushed Flax seed
Papaya Complex
D3
Progesterone Cream (days 12 -28 of my cycle maybe 5 6 doses of 20 mg for the entire month)
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Some details about all those supplements I take:
Multivitamin (AM) - Take what the label suggests
For general nutrition. I choose a brand that has the B vitamins (B1,B2,B3,B6) at 25mg each. I switch brands of vitamins each month in order to allow for a greater variety of substances. I choose vitamins that are food based.
Vitamin C (AM / Midday) 1500 4000 mg total daily
For general health but also for protein building, collagen building, anti-inflammatory and liver detoxification. I take C complexes with bioflavanoids (pill and capsule forms) as well as EmergenC powdered form that I mix into a drink.
B-12 (AM) 1000 mcg total daily.
For energy support. The form I prefer is Jarrow brand Methyl B-12. I take the methylized formula because it is more available to the body.
Potassium (AM and PM) 400 mg total daily
For general health and to balance the salt in my diet. This is also helpful as a muscle relaxant. I take the Whole Foods name brand.
Vitamin E (AM) 200 IU total daily
For general health, heart protective action, tissue repair, anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory effect.
Calcium and Magnesium (AM and PM) 1000 mg Calcium and 500 mg Magnesium total daily
For general health and to assist in muscle relaxation, bone building and heart health. I use the Country Life brand.
Chromium Picolinate (AM and PM) 400 mcg total daily
For general health and to assist in blood sugar regulation and amino acid transport for muscle building.
Norwegian Cod Liver Oil (AM) 1000 mg total daily
For general health and to supply Retinyl form of Vitamin A. My body has trouble using the vitamin A found in Beta-Carotene due to thyroid issues. This supplies 2664 IU of Vitamin A and 200 IU of Vitamin D. It also supplies 110 mg of EPA and 100 mg of DHA which is good for the brain and the heart.
Papaya Complex (AM and PM)
For digestion and NBE. The complex contains Papain (112 mg total), Amylase (96 mg total), Protease (80 mg total) and Payaya (80 mg total). I take a chewable form.
Bromelain (PM) 500 mg total daily
For muscle comfort. This is also a digestive aid, but provides an anti-inflammatory effect as well.
Selinium (PM) 100mcg total daily
For thyroid support. Selinium helps the body convert Reverse T3 thyroid hormone back into usable T3.
Melatonin (PM) 3mg total daily.
For sleep assistance. It is also an anti-oxidant.
GABA (PM) 750 mg daily total
For sleep assistance.
Vitamin D3 (AM and PM) 4000 6000 IU total daily.
For general health and hormone assistance. I am not outside very much so my exposure to sunlight is limited. This has been the case for years. I also am sometimes exposed to light through car windows and my office window which has been reported to increase the need for vitamin D.
Alpha Lipoic Acid (AM) 300 mg every other day.
A powerful antioxidant that assists in energy formation.
L-Tryptophan (PM) 500 mg
For sleep assistance.
CoQ10 (AM and PM) 160mg daily total
For general health, heart health, tissue building and gum health. I take 100 mg in the morning of a formula that has an enhanced absorption and 60 mg at night of a regular formula.
L-Arginine (AM) 500 mg every other day
For energy formation.
Acetyl L-Carnitine (AM) 500 mg every other day.
For energy formation.
Taurine (AM) 500 mg daily total
For liver detoxification.
Calcium D-Glucarate (AM) 500 mg daily total
For liver detoxification.
Milk Thistle (AM) 150 mg daily total
For liver detoxification.
Quercetin (AM) 500 mg daily total
For liver detoxification and as an anti-allergy aid.
Fish oil (AM) 1000 mg daily total.
For general health and heart health. Contains 300 mg Omega 3 fatty acid, about 300 mg each of EPA and DHA.
Biotin (AM) 500 mg every other day
For energy formation. Also for skin and hair health.
Crushed Flax seed (AM) Two tablespoons daily total
For general health as a fiber supplement and for its lignan quantity ( 250 mg)to help control estrogen issues as well as its Omega 3 fatty acid content (2.7 grams)
Creatine Monohydrate (AM) 500 mg every other day.
For energy production.
Whey protein powder (AM) 25 mg daily total
For general health and to promote muscle and hormone production.
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Nutrition
I eat what is known as a Paleolithic diet. This means I consume about 30% of my calories as protein, from grass fed beef, organic chicken, and fish. I consume hardly any bread or other grain. I eat greens like spinach and kale as well as root vegetables. I eat fruits and seeds as well. I drink organic cows milk and yogurt daily.
I space my meals about every 3 - 4 hours during the day.
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Exercise
Daily - 20 minutes of treadmill.
Daily - 2 3 hours of low intensity exercise involving muscle contractions and stretching.
2 3 time Weekly weight lifting or other intense muscle actions.
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Well that is all, of course you are nearly comatose now if you read all of that so my apologies...
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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Unread postSep 02, 2009#120
LOL. I read over my program and think.. what a FREAK... But it is all true.
I can't believe just how many supplements I swallow each day. Most of those I take just so I can feel a normal amount of health and energy. But I would much rather go this route than ever take a prescription... if they even had some medication that could help me...
It took me a long time to find my solution of various health woes - the type that kept my doctors scratching their heads in puzzlement. But I knew I wasn't imagining all my problems. With this regime I feel good most of the time as opposed to my previous way of living where I felt bad much of the time.
The over the top exercise amount is not because I am addicted to it or anything. I teach exercise classes and this amount represents the number of classes I teach each day. On top of that I have to make myself stronger than what I teach to avoid injury.
It is like I am just a hamster on one of those little wheels ... munching my alfalfa bits and scurrying along...
Best wishes,
waxingmoon (scurrying along)
thanks for your reply.
Well, i'm proabably going to start on the P-cream for my luteal stage coming in a few days to see what i can do with this. I was concerned at first that i shouldn't because of my age, but i'm 23 and in my "reproductive" years which in this case can be used for PC. And after doing some research and asking questions it seems like it coule be beneficial. Though i'm young, i had the same stressful childhood and remember when my chest started to develope, and they were the most akward and strange shape for a long time until one day when i was like 18 i noticed they had finally "rounded out," but i am convinced they haven't grown to their potential and that i have a major hormone imbalnce. My dad's side(6 sisters) are all heavy set women with big calves, and big huge breasts, while my moms side (2 sisters and my grandmother) all have b's. I looked into the list of est. dominant symtoms and it sure looks like me, so i thought why not give it a try. I'm still young so i think there might be a chance to jump-start my breasts into a healthy growth again? who knows until i try it.... we'll see. I am happy where i'm at, i'm 34b (not really full though)...i just "fit" my one un-padded 34b, while my others are "fake" as well with pushup, that actually doesnt push anything up!! lol...i have those breasts that kinda just sit on your body with no "surface" or upper breast tissue, so "pushing them up" doesnt really do anything aesthetically except give me a more rounded shape under my shirts.....OH WELL!..... that's why im on this insane boobie quest, to see what in the world i can do, LOL!
you're an encouragement though, seeing your hardwork makes all of us other women really appreciate the imput you've got!....
After reading tons of posts, what do you think is best for younger women like myself who are probably estrogen dominant (sypmtoms,as well as estrogenic herbs not promoting too much activity)...? any advice?
thanks tons.
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Unread postFeb 11, 2009#112
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Yay, waxingmoon! Glad to hear that your lump it gone, it's funny, your program is almost like a boobie novel...Tale of Two Titties...(kids love the puns.) I can't even begin to say how much all of your info has helped, thanks a billion!
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Keep us updated, and keep up that awesome sense of humor, I think everyone here really appreciates a good laugh as we all make this NBE journey!
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Unread postApr 09, 2009#113
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Just wanted to post this to keep track of myself. I have been on a bit of a hiatus from all things NBE for about a month now.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I have not used the Noogle, I have barely massaged... I am still using fennel at small dosages and all my other supplements. I am not currently using progesterone cream.
Right now my mind is focused on losing body fat and I can't seem to rev up to do that and do NBE at the same time.
I am fully willing for my breasts to lose some size - I have confidence if they do I can bring them back. So far they seem oblivious to my weight loss. They are still hanging in there as B cuppers. This is probably because my body fat is also oblivious to the change in my regime.
GAHHH.... I am eating about 1200 to 1500 calories per day and sometimes less. I am exercising daily and getting more aerobic exercise each week. I have been doing this for a month and a half... I have lost about 4 pounds total.
So, apparently I have become famine proof. Who knew?? Some days because of my crazy, busy schedule I know I barely got 1000 calories in... a big no no in my book - but did my body notice... nah. I barely felt more hungry than normal. Do I even have a metabolism any more?? ((***SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH*** Woman living with absolutely no metabolic activity whatsoever. She gains weight just by breathing....))
Yeah, I am tired more, but that is just because I am enjoying the delight of 14 and 16 hour days.... grrr...
So to recap:
NBE - nada
Breast size - oblivious
Food consumption - miniscule
Fat reduction - unmeasurable
Weight reduction - 4 measly pounds
Whining - higher than ever
grrrr,
waxingmoon
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Unread postApr 30, 2009#114
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Well I am back in the saddle again.... Yeehaa!
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Actually saddle is a great analogy to the use of a breast pump. First you have to lasso those fillies with the domes and then cinch them up tight for the ride... Lucky for me there have been no bucking bronco results from them (I could just read the headlines now "Woman knocked cold by her breasts, strange contraption found in home, neighbors stunned 'She was always such a quiet person'...)
So anyway this is like, what the 3rd or 4th day I have used the Noogleberry again. I am doing it most days twice a day for 30 to 45 minutes at a time.
Perhaps there will be a stronger response this time since they have had their 'rest'. I was not disappointed in the effect from the first time, but I am not one of the 'amazing' responders like some who use Noogleberry.
The only herb I currently use is Fennel - just 2 capsules a day to give a slight boost to estrogen. My estrogen dominance symptoms are not too bad so I haven't been using progesterone cream, but I am considering it for this month. I have been having headaches and they may respond to this treatment like they did before.
Through all this hiatus I maintained the B cup I grew to. There is not as much fluff at the top of the breast as there was when I was using the Noogle, but that has already come back a bit with just a few days work.
Body fat is lower, but my weight is still about the same. Lean is good, but I wish it was going a little faster. But hey - the boobs are hanging in there so slow weight loss is probably better all around.
My vitamin regime is essentially the same as it was before. My exercise is about the same, but aerobic exercise will be increasing since we are getting a treadmill for the house. That might change things quite a bit... we'll see.
Oh yeah - the buttocks are still standing tall and proud. I am still getting complements on them. Have considered setting up a website just for them, but they already get too much attention as it is. It cracks me up when I read the posts 'Will MACA make my butt bigger?' - Yeah. Yeah it will.
So anyway before I drone on any further...
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Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Big sigh!
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I am in a stall for now. I have been using the Noogleberry and getting really nice response - already close to where I was at the point it took me several months during my first go round.
Now I have painful fibrocystic breast response again.... SIGH! It is sort of like my breasts have an internal stop sign going. No bigger than this they say.
Which I know is a lie because with Noogle they did get bigger than this - but yes, they will get their way... the lousy little whiners!
So what this all means is that my estrogen dominance must be dealt with more stringently than I have been. I admit I have been lazy. I only occasionally used the progesterone cream. I would use just enough to dampen down the symptoms - but actually I wasn't getting all the symptoms - just the ones I was aware of.
A little bit of stress on my system and the whole health came crashing down. I had an allergy reaction to whatever is blooming around here this year and it went on and on. Then it acted like a sinus infection with a subnormal and then low-grade fever. This went on for weeks. Then came the profound fatigue and insomnia and well... nearly the whole list of estrogen dominance symptoms.
At least I think I have a handle of why I am such an ED princess. I have a mild genetic disorder that means my liver does not produce enough of a certain enzyme. This makes it hard for my liver to detoxify various drugs, but also it cannot detoxify estrogen. I just found out by doing more research into what I had always been assured was a completely benign condition. Benign my ass! Benign does not mean you can barely get out of bed fatigued and have a highly dangerous hormone (estrogen) building up to toxic levels.
So - I have added a lot of other supplements to help my liver make more of its enzyme. I also cut out fennel completely. I am using progesterone 20mg days 12 - 28 and I will for 6 month straight regardless of symptoms abating.
I also am eating a lot more red meat (helps build blood cells - something my body tends to break down too quickly) and lots of spinach. So far I am a little less tired.
So anyway -wah, wah, wah.. snivel. Yeah, I will be right as rain soon and back on the noogle when the fibrocysts disappear like they did when I correctly treated my ED before. I also am much, much less trusting of what my doctor says as far as 'benign' conditions. I trust my own research a lot more now.
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Unread postJul 04, 2009#116
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Okay, I am officially frustrated.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Yeah, I know I said I was frustrated before, but now I REALLY am.
I did one session of Noogleberry 2 days ago and my breasts are very sore still. I only did a 30 minute session.
I am in the luteal phase and I guess I am experiencing some greater estrogen dominance since I began using progesterone cream last month. I am using it from day 12 - 28 at 20 mg. I should expect greater symptoms since it is waking up dormant estrogen receptors, but I like that idea in theory much better than having to live it.
At least I am over the worst of my fatigue symptoms. I feel I have a much greater handle on my slow to detox liver system than I did a couple of months ago. I have to watch it though. Everything is in such precarious balance.
What I am doing right now that could be considered NBE:
EPO
Papaya Enzyme
Vitamin C
Protein
Massage with lavender oil
Occasional Noogle session
I am taking a ton of supplements that are for general health and to support liver enzymes. Someday soon I will update my supplement profile.
I have not made any gains, but also I have not lost anything either.
I am not done with NBE. I really do want to gain that elusive C cup even if I decide to go back to the B cup. With Noogle that is the option. If I like the C cup then I will Noogle for however long it takes to make it permanent.
Yet here I sit while everyone else is doing NBE. Making plans. Dreaming dreams. Combating estrogen dominance. Sighing.
waxingmoon
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Unread postJul 17, 2009#117
Quote:I was just wondering how long you took Maca for and how much of an increase you saw while taking it? Also, since you have stopped have you seen a decrease? Do you think it was the Maca that made your butt grow or could it have been any other herbs or exercise that may have been a factor in increasing the butt?I have been using maca root for months now. My booty got larger, and my daughter got larger at the top and at the bottom. The growth is so obvious that she didn't have to measure.
Thanks
She is adding hops to help with the booby growth. The package already arrived in the mail.
For a good place to get maca, just go to http://macaandherbshop.blogspot.com/
They also send weekly tips to customers in their email.
I love maca; now I have a curvy bump instead of a board back there! LOL!
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Unread postSep 01, 2009#118
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):It has been a while since I have updated so I just wanted to post what my current routine is right now.
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
I have not gone back to using the Noogleberry yet, but I am noticing a general increase in breast size now from an increase in my vitamin D amount. I have also been taking supplements to help with energy formation and to assist my liver in detoxifying. Something is happening even though I am not doing what it typical for NBE.
I would estimate that recently I have grown a half cup size just from the change in my supplements. I now am fitting as a very full B cup.
Below is the very lengthy account of what I am doing... I also include the reasons I take each supplement and included my nutrition and exercise information as well because heck... everyone needs a good sleep aid... lol. Good luck reading it all...
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Supplements for General Health
Multivitamin
C
B-12
Potassium
E
Calcium and Magnesium
Chromium Picolinate
D3
CoQ10
Bromelain
Fish Oil
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Supplements to help me Sleep
Melatonin
L-Tryptophan
GABA
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Supplements to help my Thyroid function
Selinium
Cod Liver oil
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Supplements to help with Energy
L-Arginine
Acetyl L-Carnitine
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Biotin
Creatine Monohydrate
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Supplements to help my Liver function
Quercetin
Taurine
Calcium D-Glucarate
Milk Thistle
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Supplements for Estrogen Dominance issues and NBE
C
Protein Powder
Crushed Flax seed
Papaya Complex
D3
Progesterone Cream (days 12 -28 of my cycle maybe 5 6 doses of 20 mg for the entire month)
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Some details about all those supplements I take:
Multivitamin (AM) - Take what the label suggests
For general nutrition. I choose a brand that has the B vitamins (B1,B2,B3,B6) at 25mg each. I switch brands of vitamins each month in order to allow for a greater variety of substances. I choose vitamins that are food based.
Vitamin C (AM / Midday) 1500 4000 mg total daily
For general health but also for protein building, collagen building, anti-inflammatory and liver detoxification. I take C complexes with bioflavanoids (pill and capsule forms) as well as EmergenC powdered form that I mix into a drink.
B-12 (AM) 1000 mcg total daily.
For energy support. The form I prefer is Jarrow brand Methyl B-12. I take the methylized formula because it is more available to the body.
Potassium (AM and PM) 400 mg total daily
For general health and to balance the salt in my diet. This is also helpful as a muscle relaxant. I take the Whole Foods name brand.
Vitamin E (AM) 200 IU total daily
For general health, heart protective action, tissue repair, anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory effect.
Calcium and Magnesium (AM and PM) 1000 mg Calcium and 500 mg Magnesium total daily
For general health and to assist in muscle relaxation, bone building and heart health. I use the Country Life brand.
Chromium Picolinate (AM and PM) 400 mcg total daily
For general health and to assist in blood sugar regulation and amino acid transport for muscle building.
Norwegian Cod Liver Oil (AM) 1000 mg total daily
For general health and to supply Retinyl form of Vitamin A. My body has trouble using the vitamin A found in Beta-Carotene due to thyroid issues. This supplies 2664 IU of Vitamin A and 200 IU of Vitamin D. It also supplies 110 mg of EPA and 100 mg of DHA which is good for the brain and the heart.
Papaya Complex (AM and PM)
For digestion and NBE. The complex contains Papain (112 mg total), Amylase (96 mg total), Protease (80 mg total) and Payaya (80 mg total). I take a chewable form.
Bromelain (PM) 500 mg total daily
For muscle comfort. This is also a digestive aid, but provides an anti-inflammatory effect as well.
Selinium (PM) 100mcg total daily
For thyroid support. Selinium helps the body convert Reverse T3 thyroid hormone back into usable T3.
Melatonin (PM) 3mg total daily.
For sleep assistance. It is also an anti-oxidant.
GABA (PM) 750 mg daily total
For sleep assistance.
Vitamin D3 (AM and PM) 4000 6000 IU total daily.
For general health and hormone assistance. I am not outside very much so my exposure to sunlight is limited. This has been the case for years. I also am sometimes exposed to light through car windows and my office window which has been reported to increase the need for vitamin D.
Alpha Lipoic Acid (AM) 300 mg every other day.
A powerful antioxidant that assists in energy formation.
L-Tryptophan (PM) 500 mg
For sleep assistance.
CoQ10 (AM and PM) 160mg daily total
For general health, heart health, tissue building and gum health. I take 100 mg in the morning of a formula that has an enhanced absorption and 60 mg at night of a regular formula.
L-Arginine (AM) 500 mg every other day
For energy formation.
Acetyl L-Carnitine (AM) 500 mg every other day.
For energy formation.
Taurine (AM) 500 mg daily total
For liver detoxification.
Calcium D-Glucarate (AM) 500 mg daily total
For liver detoxification.
Milk Thistle (AM) 150 mg daily total
For liver detoxification.
Quercetin (AM) 500 mg daily total
For liver detoxification and as an anti-allergy aid.
Fish oil (AM) 1000 mg daily total.
For general health and heart health. Contains 300 mg Omega 3 fatty acid, about 300 mg each of EPA and DHA.
Biotin (AM) 500 mg every other day
For energy formation. Also for skin and hair health.
Crushed Flax seed (AM) Two tablespoons daily total
For general health as a fiber supplement and for its lignan quantity ( 250 mg)to help control estrogen issues as well as its Omega 3 fatty acid content (2.7 grams)
Creatine Monohydrate (AM) 500 mg every other day.
For energy production.
Whey protein powder (AM) 25 mg daily total
For general health and to promote muscle and hormone production.
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Nutrition
I eat what is known as a Paleolithic diet. This means I consume about 30% of my calories as protein, from grass fed beef, organic chicken, and fish. I consume hardly any bread or other grain. I eat greens like spinach and kale as well as root vegetables. I eat fruits and seeds as well. I drink organic cows milk and yogurt daily.
I space my meals about every 3 - 4 hours during the day.
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Exercise
Daily - 20 minutes of treadmill.
Daily - 2 3 hours of low intensity exercise involving muscle contractions and stretching.
2 3 time Weekly weight lifting or other intense muscle actions.
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Well that is all, of course you are nearly comatose now if you read all of that so my apologies...
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
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Unread postSep 01, 2009#119
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):WOW two words......super human!!!!! lol
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
Milani x
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Unread postSep 02, 2009#120
Quote:How I got my first inch of growth (started Sept 06):Hi Milani,
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) applied days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
My current program:
Natural Progesterone cream (40mg) days 12-28 of cycle
Whey protein drinks (20g) 2x per day
Maca root powder (1/2 tbsp) 1 x per day
Pure Cocoa butter and Vit. E oil massage (5 min) 2x per day
Borage oil (240GLA) 1x per day
Vitex Angus Castus extract (30 drops) 2x per day
Exercises for chest:
Push ups (20 reps) 2 - 3 x per week
Bench press (3 sets of 20 reps) 1 - 2 times per week
LOL. I read over my program and think.. what a FREAK... But it is all true.
I can't believe just how many supplements I swallow each day. Most of those I take just so I can feel a normal amount of health and energy. But I would much rather go this route than ever take a prescription... if they even had some medication that could help me...
It took me a long time to find my solution of various health woes - the type that kept my doctors scratching their heads in puzzlement. But I knew I wasn't imagining all my problems. With this regime I feel good most of the time as opposed to my previous way of living where I felt bad much of the time.
The over the top exercise amount is not because I am addicted to it or anything. I teach exercise classes and this amount represents the number of classes I teach each day. On top of that I have to make myself stronger than what I teach to avoid injury.
It is like I am just a hamster on one of those little wheels ... munching my alfalfa bits and scurrying along...
Best wishes,
waxingmoon (scurrying along)