25-01-2022, 15:31
it is time to measure in. I am also including last measurments because I was too emarrased I did not post all of them. I am also trying to lose weight. I don't know how but somehow it does look to be going down slowly. So now I will include those measurments as well.
This is from four weeks ago 9/2/07:
underbust/band = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36"
at nipples = 37
collar bone to nipple = 6.8
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5
waist = 28.5
hips = 35
fattest part around thighs = 23.5
This is now 9/29/07 (would be cycle day 4 if I had a flow while on the pill)
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")
I'm really not doing anything at this point to lose weight. I am not exercising or dieting. I am slowing trying to substitute more whole grains and fiber, but that's about it. I think the fenugreek and other herbs were making me fat. That's my only explanation for the loss so far. I don't think I have lost any actual pounds, just a few inches here and there. I should be gaining weight now that I'm back on the pill. I probably will now that I say that.
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Unread postOct 01, 2007#22
1 Gelatin drink mixes daily 7 grams
1 Vitamin C 1000mg
2 Magnesium citrate 200mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I plan to increase this soon to 4-6 daily
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg
1 dong quai root 1590mg (says 3 x3 daily, seems like a LOT, I am starting at one)
1 red clover (stem, leaf, flower) 500mg
2 black cohosh root extract 40mg
planning to add goat's rue soon
plus still taking these:
3 tablets herbal hernia blend
2 capsules Stress/Mood blend
licorice root, royal jelly are out for now
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for the mask I used powdered wild yam root in a lotion bottle that was about half empty. shook it up real good and let it sit until about a week or two had passed so that it would soften the powder and release it into the lotion. I did have to let some air out every now and then because air would build up in the bottle. then everyday I would put it on my breast and let it sit for awhile before taking a shower. It is gritty. not smooth and nice like extracts would be. so if you have liquid extracts I recommend using those, and you could leave it on if you used extract. but I could tell it was working because I immediately felt tingles with it. later I added fenugreek to it. if you have wild yam capsules filled with powder, you could use that.
I stopped using that mask though. I really did not use it that much. I am making one now out of the left over fenugreek, saw palmetto berries and some of the wy mixed with olive oil. hoping it won't cause the side effects I had from taking them internally. but you could use almost any kind of oil, lotion or even just mix it with distilled water. I am finding I don't like the feel of oil on my skin so I will probably go with the water for my next mask. if you make one using oil or water you can strain the powders off after the 2 weeks is up so it won't be gritty.
btw, I was a whole lot saggier before using the bb. the before pic is actually after I had used bb for a while. before bb I resembled more of deflated ballons. I did not take one before getting the bb, I was too embarrased even to look at them myself.
I think the bb made the most difference as far as sagging. I also gained about a cup size. but I also used it for almost a year. After bb, I think the herb capsules and massage gave me the most lift. although I am nowhere near where I want to be. I am also looking at the nba ebook and considering using magnets. but will save that for later on. you might want to try it though if you only want lift. there is a method in the book for placing the magnets over the ligaments to strengthen them thereby giving lift. sorry to be so long winded. hope this helps some and good luck!
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Backing off of the black cohosh for now too. I keep having the feeling that it is bad for me. I keep getting nauseated and heart burn type feelings and for some reason I have a bad feeling about the black cohosh. I don't know that it is that. I took it before with no problems but this is a different dose and is extract in tablet form. Bad feeling. Gonna stop that one for now. Also have a weird feeling about red clover. but I will keep that for now.
This is from four weeks ago 9/2/07:
underbust/band = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36"
at nipples = 37
collar bone to nipple = 6.8
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5
waist = 28.5
hips = 35
fattest part around thighs = 23.5
This is now 9/29/07 (would be cycle day 4 if I had a flow while on the pill)
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")
I'm really not doing anything at this point to lose weight. I am not exercising or dieting. I am slowing trying to substitute more whole grains and fiber, but that's about it. I think the fenugreek and other herbs were making me fat. That's my only explanation for the loss so far. I don't think I have lost any actual pounds, just a few inches here and there. I should be gaining weight now that I'm back on the pill. I probably will now that I say that.
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Quote:Statsadding some things.
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker
My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.
*************************************************
*************************************************
THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
*************************************************
*************************************************
approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.
*************************************************
Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.
*************************************************
Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
*************************************************
6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages
*************************************************
7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
*************************************************
Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
*************************************************
7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase
*************************************************
9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
*************************************************
2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup
3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)
4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)
5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)
7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"
*************************************************
Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D
7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again
8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"
=============================================
ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
=============================================
Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen
MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies
=============================================
1 Gelatin drink mixes daily 7 grams
1 Vitamin C 1000mg
2 Magnesium citrate 200mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I plan to increase this soon to 4-6 daily
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg
1 dong quai root 1590mg (says 3 x3 daily, seems like a LOT, I am starting at one)
1 red clover (stem, leaf, flower) 500mg
2 black cohosh root extract 40mg
planning to add goat's rue soon
plus still taking these:
3 tablets herbal hernia blend
2 capsules Stress/Mood blend
licorice root, royal jelly are out for now
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Unread postOct 03, 2007#23
Quote:StatsKieyah I was looking at your photos and program. I am much older than you ( 45 ) and sag just a bit more but our boobs look almost identical in shape/size. I can see you have no doubt filled in the tops some and look firmer and more uplifted. That is what I am going for. I want them lifted not so much bigger. I wanted to ask you about your wild yam mask. How did you make that? Do you still use it? Where did you buy your collagen? Sorry to post to your program page, I hope it was ok. What do you feel gave you the most lift herbs or BO?
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker
My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.
*************************************************
*************************************************
THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
*************************************************
*************************************************
approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.
*************************************************
Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.
*************************************************
Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
*************************************************
6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages
*************************************************
7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
*************************************************
Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
*************************************************
7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase
*************************************************
9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
*************************************************
2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup
3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)
4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)
5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)
7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"
*************************************************
Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D
7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again
8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"
=============================================
ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
=============================================
Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen
MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies
=============================================
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Unread postOct 06, 2007#24
Quote:Statsno problem, I don't mind, glad to be of help. The collagen I got off ebay. here is link to it on the mfr website so you can see what it looks like: http://www.masonvitamins.com/Product%20 ... 56-120.htm I started taking it because along with the gelatin I believe it to help with building the connective tissue in the breast. and hopefully by taking it any growth I get through the herbs, I will keep. That's my theory anyway.
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker
My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.
*************************************************
*************************************************
THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
*************************************************
*************************************************
approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.
*************************************************
Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.
*************************************************
Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
*************************************************
6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages
*************************************************
7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
*************************************************
Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
*************************************************
7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase
*************************************************
9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
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2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup
3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)
4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)
5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)
7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"
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Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D
7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again
8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"
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ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
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Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen
MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies
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for the mask I used powdered wild yam root in a lotion bottle that was about half empty. shook it up real good and let it sit until about a week or two had passed so that it would soften the powder and release it into the lotion. I did have to let some air out every now and then because air would build up in the bottle. then everyday I would put it on my breast and let it sit for awhile before taking a shower. It is gritty. not smooth and nice like extracts would be. so if you have liquid extracts I recommend using those, and you could leave it on if you used extract. but I could tell it was working because I immediately felt tingles with it. later I added fenugreek to it. if you have wild yam capsules filled with powder, you could use that.
I stopped using that mask though. I really did not use it that much. I am making one now out of the left over fenugreek, saw palmetto berries and some of the wy mixed with olive oil. hoping it won't cause the side effects I had from taking them internally. but you could use almost any kind of oil, lotion or even just mix it with distilled water. I am finding I don't like the feel of oil on my skin so I will probably go with the water for my next mask. if you make one using oil or water you can strain the powders off after the 2 weeks is up so it won't be gritty.
btw, I was a whole lot saggier before using the bb. the before pic is actually after I had used bb for a while. before bb I resembled more of deflated ballons. I did not take one before getting the bb, I was too embarrased even to look at them myself.
I think the bb made the most difference as far as sagging. I also gained about a cup size. but I also used it for almost a year. After bb, I think the herb capsules and massage gave me the most lift. although I am nowhere near where I want to be. I am also looking at the nba ebook and considering using magnets. but will save that for later on. you might want to try it though if you only want lift. there is a method in the book for placing the magnets over the ligaments to strengthen them thereby giving lift. sorry to be so long winded. hope this helps some and good luck!
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Quote:StatsI am starting a new herb mask using fg, wy, sp and evoo. I will begin using this in the evenings. I have ordered goat's rue and plan to add when arrives. also adding licorice root back in soon. I have also decided to try a few other things the magnets (nba system) and also ordered a breast massager which should arrive any day now. thats about it for now. I am also considering trying yasmin. ok so I am becoming obsessed at this point! I admit it. but I have a tramendous amount of stress in my life at this time and feel that if I can control this and get back to the size I originally was I will feel much better about myself and feel like a woman again. I keep hearing of all these things that could potentially help and I want to try them all!
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker
My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.
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THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
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approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.
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Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.
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Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
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6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages
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7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
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Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower
I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.
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7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek
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Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
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8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase
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9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
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2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup
3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)
4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)
5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)
7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"
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Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D
7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again
8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"
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ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
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Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen
MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies
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Backing off of the black cohosh for now too. I keep having the feeling that it is bad for me. I keep getting nauseated and heart burn type feelings and for some reason I have a bad feeling about the black cohosh. I don't know that it is that. I took it before with no problems but this is a different dose and is extract in tablet form. Bad feeling. Gonna stop that one for now. Also have a weird feeling about red clover. but I will keep that for now.