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I also responded well herbs so hopefully if you do with WU I would also. I was taking a HANDful of herbs 3 times a day. It was hard to do. I need to start back on something soon, but I want to take Milk Thistle for a liver cleanse first. Thanks so much for letting me know I can order from the US. Did you just use a credit card and what is the cost?





I paid with cc. they take paypal, international money orders, & credit cards. These are definatly easier to take than a whole handful of herbs at a time. I was so sick of doing that. These are just two pills three times a day. I have only been taking twice a day. If that gives me any results I will stick with that to make the bottle last longer. I did not order the cream but if you do please let me know how it works for you.
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Unread postMar 09, 2008#68

Stats
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker

My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.

*************************************************
*************************************************
THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
*************************************************
*************************************************

approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.

*************************************************
Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.

*************************************************
Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

*************************************************
6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages

*************************************************
7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

*************************************************
Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

*************************************************
7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase




*************************************************

9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)


10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)


11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)


12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"


*************************************************

2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup


3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)


4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)


5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)


7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"


*************************************************

Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D


7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again


8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"


=============================================
ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
=============================================
Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen

MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies

=============================================

This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.25"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"

I only just started WU about 2 weeks ago. so will be very curious to see how it goes after a full month. I had some wonderful cycle swelling this month just like when i was a teen. Wonder if that means anything and if this is due to the WU, progesterone cream, the ortho-tri, or even a combo of all of these. But I think it might mean I've finally hit the right hormone level for me since this is how my boobs acted in my teens. I will try to stick with this routine. Now that I'm not doing individual herbs maybe i won't be so tempted to wonder off and try new things. It is so easy to just pop two pills morning and night and that's it. no queeziness or gagging so far. I can do this!
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Unread postMar 09, 2008#69

Stats
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker

My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.

*************************************************
*************************************************
THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
*************************************************
*************************************************

approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.

*************************************************
Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.

*************************************************
Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

*************************************************
6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages

*************************************************
7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

*************************************************
Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

*************************************************
7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase




*************************************************

9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)


10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)


11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)


12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"


*************************************************

2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup


3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)


4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)


5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)


7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"


*************************************************

Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D


7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again


8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"


=============================================
ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
=============================================
Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen

MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies

=============================================

Kieyah - are you taking combined BCP + progesterone cream?

I never have had any cycle swelling (apart from my usual small waist disappearing!) and don't think I had swelling or soreness when I was developing but I was so early I can't really remember. Would you say you get a whole cup more?
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Unread postMar 10, 2008#70

Stats
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker

My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.

*************************************************
*************************************************
THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
*************************************************
*************************************************

approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.

*************************************************
Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.

*************************************************
Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

*************************************************
6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages

*************************************************
7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

*************************************************
Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

*************************************************
7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase




*************************************************

9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)


10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)


11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)


12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"


*************************************************

2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup


3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)


4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)


5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)


7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"


*************************************************

Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D


7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again


8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"


=============================================
ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
=============================================
Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen

MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies

=============================================

I'd say about half a cup cycle swelling. I don't usually get any noticable cycle swelling in the boobs, not since my teens. This time my bras were super tight. I am hoping this is a good sign. I am taking ortho-tri cyclene (not the low dose one). this is the bcp that I took back in my teens when my boobs went from C to overflowing D, so thought it wouldn't hurt to switch to that again. and since my pms had gotten bad (not related to the pill) I started using NOW brand progesterone cream during that last week of my cycle when I start feeling very irritated and also during my period. at least during the days that are bad and I remember to use it. I started doing this during my break but even before my break I was trying to get used to using it, just not very routinely. So it might have had time to start helping.