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I count calories very carefully and if FG causes me any issues I’ll switch to shatavari, which is pricier. If it doesn’t, no swear. I’m very serious about fitness now that the pandemic is over.

Thank you James for the Clarification. Hi Grayson, I'm attaching two studies on fenugreek. As I stated previously FG lowers insulin, so I can't agree with James assessment (with all due respect James). If indeed FG adds fat all over we'd have an epidemic the world over of overweight people just from using FG, and you'd have to track that clear back for centuries because that's how long fenugreek has been around, and that's simply not the case. 

Besides, there's no way James can say with certainty that it was FG that added fat all over because he didn't follow the people around insuring they stuck to strict protocols like they in a controlled science study, so again, i don't agree with his assessment. Please follow the science below. Triggering insulin increases appetite, AND testosterone (I didn't list that science though). Triggering insulin which spikes hunger and releases testosterone while trying to grow breasts is inefficient.

In the study about Fenugreek increasing estradiol, study participants only used 900mg. When I used FG (years ago) I didn't add fat all over, in fact I used 1800 mg and lost weight, most likely because it lowered my blood sugar and reduced my appetite. It's your choice to use FG or not. I use science to guide my decision, not personal observations. Good luck. 


Insulin levels, hunger, and food intake: an example of feedback loops in body weight regulation

A quote from the study:
"experiments show that elevations in insulin produce increased hunger, heightened perceived pleasantness of sweet taste, and increased food intake"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3894001/


Effect of Trigonella foenum-graecum (fenugreek) seeds on glycaemic control and insulin resistance in type 2 diabetes mellitus: a double blind placebo controlled study

Abstract

Objectives: To evaluate the effects of Trigonella foenum-graecum (fenugreek) seeds on glycemic control and insulin resistance, determined by HOMA model, in mild to moderate type 2 diabetes mellitus we performed a double blind placebo controlled study.

Methods: Twenty five newly diagnosed patients with type 2 diabetes (fasting glucose < 200 mg/dl) were randomly divided into two groups. Group I (n=12) received 1 gm/day hydroalcoholic extract of fenugreek seeds and Group II (n=13) received usual care (dietary control, exercise) and placebo capsules for two months.

Results: At baseline both the groups were similar in anthropometric and clinical variables. Oral glucose tolerance test, lipid levels, fasting C-peptide, glycosylated haemoglobin, and HOMA-model insulin resistance were also similar at baseline. In group 1 as compared to group 2 at the end of two months, fasting blood glucose (148.3 +/- 44.1 to 119.9 +/- 25 vs. 137.5 +/- 41.1 to 113.0 +/- 36.0) and two hour postglucose blood glucose (210.6 +/- 79.0 to 181.1 +/- 69 vs. 219.9 +/- 41.0 to 241.6 +/- 43) were not different. But area under curve (AUC) of blood glucose (2375 +/- 574 vs 27597 +/- 274) as well as insulin (2492 +/- 2536 vs. 5631 +/- 2428) was significantly lower (p < 0.001). HOMA model derived insulin resistance showed a decrease in percent beta-cell secretion in group 1 as compared to group 2 (86.3 +/- 32 vs. 70.1 +/- 52) and increase in percent insulin sensitivity (112.9 +/- 67 vs 92.2 +/- 57) (p < 0.05). Serum triglycerides decreased and HDL cholesterol increased significantly in group 1 as compared to group 2 (p < 0.05).

Conclusions: Adjunct use of fenugreek seeds improves glycemic control and decreases insulin resistance in mild type-2 diabetic patients. There is also a favourable effect on hypertriglyceridemia.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11868855/