[AlpineUdders]

I know that using high doses of phytoestrogens is quite common, such as missmadscientist's soy and flax method, which is quite popular on this forum. However, the more that I look into it, there are a few things that don't make sense to me.

Phytoestrogens mimic real estrogen by binding into the same receptors that estrogen would. This is why it is believed to reduce the risk of breast cancer, by reducing the amount of estrogen that bind to the receptors. By this logic, it should hinder breast growth, not increase it. I'm not sure why breast growth from phytoestrogens would have any less of a cancer risk than using natural estrogenic methods like PM or BO etc. It seems like whatever method you use, breast growth = increased cancer risk. What is the cancer risk of NBE methods, realistically?

On the same topic, why is it that natural breast growth from puberty or pregnancy doesn't have a risk of breast cancer (at least that I know of), but using hormonal methods have the risk? As someone with a family history of cancer, this is a big concern of mine that's looming on me as I go through my NBE journey. I'd love to know what you guys think.


I think it all depends on the breasts in question taking the phyto estrogens and which phyto estrogens. While both soy and alfalfa are phytoestrogens, the affects on breast tissue, and binding to estrogen are very different. Soy is extremely powerful. Soy can actually exacerbate PCOS, fibroids, and a host of other things. I know that if I were to be drinking it, it would be a great source of proteins with minimal calories but I would also get a huge jump in cup size  that would be too much for me.

If I was going to have pics  taken I would double up on the soy about a week in advance, but then stop afterwards-same goes for fenugreek, which has actually come up in at least two studies as not some thing you want to take with a family history of breast cancer. Those in my experience of the two strongest for actual rapid gain in size, but they imho come with risks.

But leaving those two out that leaves over two dozen  of galactoglogues and NBEs that are technically phyto estrogens that don’t have any negative studies behind them. Goats rue for example is essentially Metiformin but it’s a plant not big Pharma’s version. While it lowers your blood sugar, it doesn’t have any of the side effects of fenugreek. Alfalfa while not as powerful as goats rue is a great enhancer as well.

do you have any updates you're willing to share?