[missmiffy]

Well the "optional" tag seemed to get forgotten over the years. Even surferjoe stopped using it. So therefore, unless you have a good reason for not using those items, I think you should definitely include them.

So just use all of what suferjoe2007 wrote? What would be the dosages for those because I didn't really understand it. For example, with the fenugreek or shatavari would I be taking one or two capsules worth the 300-1200 mg? Or do I take a capsule worth anywhere between 300 to 1200 mg?