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I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA
August 30 2007 at 11:37 AM terorera (Login terorera)
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Hi!
I am a 26 years old woman from Spain who is thinking about wearing BRAVA. I have read both, good and not as good things about this system and... I am not sure at all.
What do you recommend me? Is it the best alternative to breast surgery? I prefer having a natural small chest that one with an odd element inside and with an scare.
Thanks a lot for your help and sorry if my English is not good at all
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 2:07 PM
It is difficult to say yes or no as some people have had good results and some people have had no results. If you are going to get a good result you need to be very committed to putting in long hours every day. If you work during the day you will need to come straight home after to put the domes on so will affect your social life. The domes are larger than they look on the Brava website so you cannot hide them under clothes (they stick out about 15cm from your body!). The domes are also uncomfortable and can give skin problems, you will sleep badly for the first week.
If you have time and money to spare and would not be too disappointed by only a small change then go for it. If you really do not want implants then go for it. If you are not sure maybe get some cheap domes from ebay and make your own airlock so you can try it. I am on week 8 (averaging over 15 hours daily) and I am happy wearing it over night but it is itchy if I wear it during the day as well. I am 1 cup bigger after 11 hours without domes so I do feel that I have growth but you need to measure 2 weeks after stopping to be sure. I have bigger swelling in the mornings than for the first few weeks. I intend to use for 26 weeks as Brava have said there will be no more gain after this time and then if I do have a noticeable result I will do another 26 weeks.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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terorera
(Login terorera) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 4:52 PM
Hi again and thanks for your response.
It is good to know about the advantages and disadvantages of wearing this device. 26 weeks seems to be a really long time... what about the 12 or 14 weeks that they say is enough to increase your breast?
I work only in the mornings... well... from 9 to 2. I have a lot of free time... but I'm young and I like to go out so often... I'm not talking about going out at nights... but I like going out in the afternoons and sometimes in the evening to have dinner and so on...
I think that I can wear this machine since 8 or 9 in the evening... until 8 of the following day... that is, 11 or 12 hours per day. But... what happens if one day it is impossible for me to achieve this amount of hours?
What also worries me is what you told me about the size of this product... Can you sleep confortable or not? Oh my god!! It is a really great effort to wear this device but if as you have told me... so far, it has worked... it may be great.
Could you tell me, if you don´t mind, the size which which you started and the size of bra that you are wearing now? So that I can imagine the amount... Have you bought another pair of domes? Some people say that it is necessary when your breast grows and I'm really worry of the fact that, at the end of the treatment, I have spent a lot of money with any result.
Talking about other devices... I don´t know. I don´t trust them. You know... it is the same as when you would like to cook something in the oven. If you have to cook something for 1 hour at 100º... May you achieve the same result cooking it for 1/2 hour at 200º? I don´t think so... for that reason I don´t trust them... although, maybe, people may achieve fantastic results... or not.
Well, once more, thanks a lot for sharing your experience with me.
Terorera.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 5:26 PM
I started at 27-28 underbust and 31-32 bust. It is very difficult to measure accurately as tape measure slips so measurement is always variable. I repeated my measurements for about 10 days before ordering as it is most important to get correct dome size. I started off before Brava at 135 lbs (61kg) wearing 32B (75B) or 34A (80A) and filled bra properly but I was fat! Then I lost weight (110 lb/ 50kg) and lost boobs but didn't buy new bras so bra was less full. Then I started Brava at probably 32A. Now when I first take the domes off I'm 32DD (I wear 36D for comfort so not to rub the skin), measure about 35-36 around bust. After leaving the domes off for 11 hours (I haven't left them off longer) I have been 32C about 33.5 inches.
Look at my program page for hours each day
http://www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1182080248/last-1187887526/Veggie+NBE+with+Brava)
When I work I can only get 12-13 hours so I do longer on my days off to make up. Brava say there is no help to wear it for more than 14 hours but the theory behind Brava when used in other areas of plastic surgery is used 24 hours a day constantly so a lot of us put in longer hours. This is also why I don't trust the other devices (also on this site the people who claimed to have a result with bravabreast were trying to sell the product).
Brava have said that when you are the size you want when you put the domes back on then you should do 2-3 more weeks to make it permanent but they also said some people respond slowly and take 20-22 weeks to see the effect. I definitely got more swelling after 6 weeks and have only just started to keep swelling. When I first got my domes (narrow-large) I barely filled 25%. After 6 weeks I could completely fill them in a long session so moved up to narrow-XL (you have to pay for bigger domes) which are maybe 1-2 inches deeper.
This is how you look with XL domes on:
http://users.telenet.be/lolo.ferrari/
The large domes in very loose clothes make you look fat and out of shape but the XL looks like a freak!
In response to your question, you need minimum 11 hours wearing and maximum 13 hours not wearing regularly. And it must be 11 consecutive hours not some in the morning and some in the evening. One day in the week where you only do 8.5 hours will not count as a missed day but less than 8.5 hours (or less than 11 twice in one week) means you need to add 5 days at the end to make up. Maybe it is easier in winter when the weather is bad. Luckily it has not been hot here this summer.
When you first wear Brava you will probably sleep very badly. I slept maybe 2 hours for first 2 nights, different people have put pillows in different places to help. I found using 3-4 pillows to lift the legs kept me on my back. Brava can also give back pain to start with. I slept comfortably after 1-2 weeks. Now I sleep with 3 pillows behind me and two at the side like a big chair.
I also take Wonder up herbal breast pills which may also help growth and I am trying to eat more protein. Brava say you do not need to change your diet and can excercise but should not lose more than 7 lb (3kg) weight while using Brava. Generally you can do all normal things in the home but reaching very high or low can stretch the skin under the arm and the dome unsticks.
Feel free to ask any more questions.
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 6:53 PM
Thanks again!
I think I will try it... The only thing is that until next month... I won´t have any money hehehe. I have spoken to my boyfriend since I am living with him and he told me that he prefer that choice than the surgery since it is natural... although he also told me that he likes my breast exactly as it is... But I would like to have a larger breast... at least a little bit more large.
How much it was for you? Where did you buy it?
Thanks a lot for everything... again! xDDD
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 7:01 PM
I bought direct from Brava. www.mybrava.org The UK website can deliver to Europe but there may be extra charge for that. I paid £790 GBP for original set (special offer, usually £990) and £200 more for XL domes. Buying from Brava has the advantage that you get a 90 day warranty if you have a break down. I looked at ebay but they charged £350 for domes only so I don't understand why anyone would buy from there if it costs more and there is no guarantee. When you get Brava it comes in a plain box by courier, make sure you check the domes are the correct size before you remove the seal, if they send the wrong size you can send them back. Build up the wear time slowly to avoid skin problems.
Good luck and let us know how you get on x
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 7:25 PM
Hi again,
This days I have been in contact with Brava from the UK. They have sent me some information about the device and the price for sending it to Spain (since here we do not have any distributor).
Of course, if I buy one... I will buy to them or to any autorized seller... since I would like to receive constant consultation, warranty and the possibility of buying new products when necessary.
Once more... thanks!
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terorera
(no login) Airlock? September 1 2007, 10:54 AM
Hi again,
after seeing a lot of posts about the brava system... I'm a little bit confused.
People talk about the smartbox and the airlock. The smartbox is the one who comes with the original system, doesn´t it? Which one do you use?
I'm buying this system next month... in the first of second week of October and for this reason I'm asking a lot of questions... I don´t want to waste my money
Thanks a lot for your advice... once more. xDDDD
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Natasha
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 1 2007, 1:25 PM
For most women brava ends up being a waste of money no matter what you do.
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Black Sheep
(no login) September 1 2007, 4:52 PM
If what you say is true... the only way to improve my breast is with surgery
Have you had a bad experience with Brava?
Thanks.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 1 2007, 7:00 PM
I used the smartbox to start, and when you first use it you feel quite a lot of suction but you get used to it easily. The airlock is a T shape made from rubber tubes (you can buy the tubes and make it yourself very cheaply - use the 6mm diameter tubes they use for fish tanks) with either a valve or a clip at the end. You suck air out with your mouth and use the valve / clip to hold it. This way you can get more suction which gives more swelling. Diana1978 used suction and got 2 inches gain in 7 weeks! Too muc hsuction is bad for the skin so it may be better to start with the smartbox so you know how hard to suction. I dropped my smartbox 2weeks ago and I'm not sure how reliable it is now so have just used the airlock. The smartbox has an alarm to wake you up if you lose the seal, if you use an airlock and the domes came off in the night you would miss the night if you didn't wake up. I just suction them on hard and put pillows round so I can't move and they haven't fallen off yet. If you can wait I will post results in 18 weeks (probably beginning of January), I have so far used it very carefully for long hours and not missed a night.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 1 2007, 7:02 PM
Also you may want to contact the American Brava department and ask for Brava Sport (same as Brava but you need to put a battery in the smartbox instead of recharging it) - everything in America is a lot cheaper so even with shipping costs it may be better value. Also ask how much second set of domes would be.
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Natasha
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 2 2007, 8:48 AM
Brava didn't work for me, but I'm not saying it doesn't work for anyone. I'm sure some women are happy with their results, but I believe they are in a minority. By the way, why do you think that the only options you have are Brava or cosmetic surgery. Have you ruled out any other possible method?
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 2 2007, 3:59 PM
Are there any other alternatives?
Please, give me some advice.
If only I could have one cup more!
Thanks!
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 2 2007, 4:54 PM
Have a look at the herbal forum, in my opinion it seems to work best for women who are otherwise in good health and have good diet. I take Wonderup as well as Brava, which then makes it hard to see what works but I am desperate! It is important not to use massage if you use Brava as it will reduce swelling.
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 3 2007, 3:37 PM
Thanks for your advice!
I have to read a lot... for herbal forum do you mean pueraria forum? Does this product work, actually?
Thanks!
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 3 2007, 8:46 PM
i think Brava can work for anyone but not in 10 weeks. maybe not even 20. maybe it would take a year to get the results. the body adapts and reacts, but each is diferent. it's based on a medical method that has been used for years. so if you really want it to work it will. but the sad thing is not everyone can stick to it long enough.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 3 2007, 11:03 PM
Hey Lexy,
How many weeks and average hours have you done? What was your start size and how much are you keeping at the end of the day? How many weeks are you planning on? Any skin probs?
Sorry for the inquisition, hope all going well xx
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Born Again Sheep
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 4 2007, 7:33 AM
The herbal forum referred to is the main forum here, not the pueraria forum.
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lexy
(no login) hey louise September 5 2007, 5:59 AM
my hours have been pretty messy i had hollydays and several issues. temporary skin problems but only when i forget to take it off and it's very hot. nothing severe that won't go away and i don't think i'll get any scars. for my hours, here it is:
1: 12, 16, 6, 14, 14, 15, 21,5 - 98h
2: 16, 6, 10, 22, 7, 20, 11, 9-101h
3: 8, 3, 11, 12, 5, 18, 12, 14, 16- 99h
4: 18, 18, 7, 9, 9, 10, 8- 79h
5: 9, 8, 7, 14, 14, 16, 11, 17- 95h -2
6: 19, 15, 8, 20, 6, 11, 13, 12- 104h
7: 20, 10, 16, 21, 17, 28, 7- 119h
8: 13, 17, 10, 14, 16, 16, 16- 102h -2
9: 18, 6, 10, 11, 10, 14, 18, 16 - 103h
10: 18, 23, 12, 16, 21, 18, 19 - 127h
11: 7, 19, 15, 19, 18, 37 - 115h -1
12: 14, 12, 11, 17, 12, 16, 20 - 102h
13: 13, 4, 9, 12, 14, 8, 7 - 67h -2
14: 8, 30, 11, 16, 15, 17 - 97h
15: 15, 12, 20, 19, 17, 16, 13 - 112h
16: 14, -1
the minuses are the lost nights so basicly i am feft with 8 out of the 16 weeks. i got used to brava and if i made it thru summer i think i'll wear it till spring. from now on i can go out with the medium wide ones. i can hide those pretty well. i can't say how much i keep by the time i put them back on cause the breaks vary. what i can say is that i lost a night 2 days ago and after 36 hours i kept 1,5 cm across each breast. that's how i measure, i think it's ore aqurate. so i guess that's a good sign. i'm thinking of adding herbs too but i'm scared of getting nodules or even worse.
bast luck to you and everybody else.
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 5 2007, 9:55 AM
Lexy, thanks, that's a great help and even with the random breaks you seem to be maintaining some - congratulations!
You said about getting a heat rash - how did you fix it?
Have a look at the main forum if you're thinking about herbs, also you might want to consider some of the tissue building things like borage oil / flax seed oil, protein shakes, booby foods, collagen, gelatine etc. They have worked alone for some people if you're nervous about herbs. I think drinking a lot of water is good for boobs too but find it really hard to do.
Good luck x
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 6 2007, 5:40 PM
heat rashes.... i used hydrocortizol cream but mostly i think they went away naturally. dryed and peeled
. i try to place the domes a bit diferently the next day to help it heal. not long ago i wore it for 30 hours and it was hot and it was itchy but i wouldn't give up and i got myself a rash circle around each boob that still hasn't gone away completly. u'd say my boobs had been cut off and glued back on.
i have a whitish circle around each boob from friction. that bugged me during summer but now i don't have to worry about it.
about herbs... i studyed the main forum even before buying brava. i think i know every lil trick. i eat lots of oat. not only for boobs but general health. it had good carbs with low absorbtion. doesn't taste necesarelly good but.... and with water i have the same problem as you. i keep trying.
i will try and speak to a doctor about this. one specialized in plants. they should know better. i didn't wanna add herbs until i knew brava really works for me and now it seems pretty clear it does.
what seems to be a good sign is that after 10 hours without brava i am left with just as much as after 36 hours. so i tend to think the swelling goes away fast and the rest is actual growth. 1.5cm is not vizible progress but it only means i can grow. i hope i don't end up dissapointed. but then again... can't know till i try. i;'m staying optimistic
funny story. i never told my friends about brava because... well they never asked. and a few days ago i hear everyone keeps talking about how i must have had implants or something. but noone understood why i didn't say anything. yet they were asking eachother and asking my bf but noone had the guts to ask me. now i think the word is spread. and i am very amuzed.
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lexy
(no login) one more thought September 6 2007, 5:49 PM
i think the ideea that if you do 7 hours one night takes you back 1 week is bull.
mainly because completly missing the night also takes u back 1 week. noone will ever convince me that those 7 or 8 hours count for nothing while 8.5 hours can count as a completed day. the half an hour or 1 hour is supose to make such a big diference? a week? sounds a lil exagerated.
and if it were true then i would have to have 8 countable weeks so far. now i'm a slow responder with very very lil fat on my breasts. i'm 5.8 and 114 lbs. i burn fat faster then i eat. i doubt that if it were true i could have kept 1.5 cm in 8 weeks. if that was the case brava would be very very popular.
just sharing some thoughts. good luck everyone
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 6 2007, 7:36 PM
Hey Lexy, when you say you eat oats what does is look like? Is it actually whole oat grains or some sort of powder? I have to watch what I eat quite carefully as I put on weight easily and then lose weight easily on a diet. I eat a lot of soy. Can't belive you're so tall! I'm 5'1 110 lbs. When you are talking about your measurements where exactly do you start and finish?
I was 2 inches up after 15 hours without domes last week but now only 1 inch up after 12 hours so I think if you do a lot of long hours it takes a while for the swelling to go down. I did 112.75 hours over 5 days (including 37.5 with no break) and used a lot of suction - this is how I got the rash! Did you ever have to leave the domes off for it to go? How long befor it was gone?
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 7 2007, 8:41 AM
the oats i eat are whole grain but there's some powder among them. i think you should easely find that. there are some that taste worse then others. but u should be able to have a choice. i never was on a diet but i try to eat healthy as much as i can. even if u lose the weight easely you should avoid fluctuations because in long them those leave marks you can avoid. if you want a few tips about losing weight and eating healthy in the same time you should consider:
1: never starve urself, when u do, ur body deposits fat. the " half a biscuit for breakfast, an orange for lunch and water for dinner" kinda diet is the worse thing anyone can do and it's even worse when u wanna lose weight. so have 5 meals a day, never eat too much in one meal and try to have a rithm. it's not about how much you eat it's WHAT you eat.
2: avoid bad carbs as much as you can. white bread, potatoes, pasta, white rize, sugar, alcohool. you can find lists on the internet.
3: choose low fat aliments. try to avoid chemically prepaird stuff as salami, pastrami, bacon and all the rest. even if some look low in fat they are full of toxins or smoked. make ur own steaks and try not to burn them. find ways to cook to avoid all the tar.
4: don't mix fat and bad carbs. all meat has a certain amount of fat so it's best to eat it with a side salad and lose the potatoes or any other bad carb. why you should not do that would be too long of an explanation but if you are interested about it, read "michel montignac - eat urself slim". in 2 words, bad carbs raise ur insuline level very high and that deposits fat. when you eat fat in the same time all that fat is depozited instead of being mostly eliminated.
5: drink lots of water and exercize but you already know that
in other order of ideeas, when i measure i start on the side and finish where my boob finishes close to the middle. check the second pisture in the link : http://www.justbreastimplants.com/size_pics.htm
and when i get to wear it longer hours for a longer time i keep it more too but never that much. if i wear it 12-14 hours a day all the swelling goes away in like 10 hours. but the good thing is that i am left with something. since after 30 hours i have the same size as after 10 hours i like to think that's growth. you keep a lot. congrats. watch the manual suction. i use a bit too but only a bit more then the smartbox gives me. it may have bad consequences on ur boobs too not only skin and that's not really worthit.
i never left the domes off intentionately. but i lost seal and i don't hear the alarm or i was on vacation and could only do it while sleapping. my most recent hobby is diving so taking trips every day and going out every evening doesn't leave you with much time for brava. most nights i get to wear it for 8-9 hours when that happens.
when i get a rash i don't leave it off. i wear it minimum time and when i do i try to hit a diferent area with the domes and from time to time i take it off to clean my skin. i still have a brown line on the side of one of my breasts from the last rash and it's been 2 weeks. it was a bad rash. veerrrry bad. it dryed and peeled but i still got some leftovers.
when i was a kid i had this bad wound on my knee that i kept for 3 months. as soon as it partly healed i'd fall and open it back. i have the scar from that and it's barelly visible. so i don't expect a brava rash to leave a scar. at least in my case.
hope this answers ur questions. good luck and congrats on ur results so far.
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 7 2007, 9:05 PM
Lexy, thanks for all the advice and info, I don't really want to lose more weight, just want to tone up my legs a bit - any tips for exercise? Looking at the things you mention I am veggie and don't drink alcohol so that's a good start, I have to be very careful with portion size and when I've eaten enough in a day stop! My rash seems to be getting better actually, I used Potter's witch hazel cleanser and zinc cream which are both good for any skin problems. I also have PCOS which causes too much insulin, high blood sugar and high testosterone so the doctor has given me metformin to cause insulin sensitivity (so less it produced) it also lowers blood sugar, doctor as also given me dianette contraceptive which I think is quite strong and blocks testosterone so hopefully that will at least put me in the same starting position as everyone else. I am now going to try borage and flax seed oils and collagen. Will also look out for oats but worried I already eat too much soy!
p.s. I dropped my smartbox and I'm worried it's not reliable so I use airlock with no alarm. If I suck the domes on quite tight then sleep either with about 3 pillows to keep my knees raised or 3 pillows behind me and 2 at the side these both keep me on my back and stop me moving - haven't lost a seal yet
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 7 2007, 10:47 PM
i dropped my smartbox several times but it still works. u sure urs doesn't? i really dropped it badly. usually batterys move and i have to rearange them but it works fine. the only thing is i feel it doesn't suck as much air as in the begining. or maybe i got used to the lil extra suction. i dunno.
i think the best way to tone legs is running but that's borring you should try a dinamic sport like tennis. it's fun too and you won't feel like making an effort. i also find these good for legs and ass:
http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Exercises/Lunges.htm
good luck
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Lillea
(Login Lillea)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 8 2007, 6:13 AM
Hi Louise,
This exercise:
http://www.t-tapp.com/articles/legs/
really helped me! I'm slim but I tend to put weight on my thighs, the front and inner thighs particularly. This can be done at home easily. The creator truly has worked with models and now people of many different sizes. I recommend her DVDs. it's true from my experience that you can reduce your size w/o dieting with her programs.
August 30 2007 at 11:37 AM terorera (Login terorera)
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Hi!
I am a 26 years old woman from Spain who is thinking about wearing BRAVA. I have read both, good and not as good things about this system and... I am not sure at all.
What do you recommend me? Is it the best alternative to breast surgery? I prefer having a natural small chest that one with an odd element inside and with an scare.
Thanks a lot for your help and sorry if my English is not good at all
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 2:07 PM
It is difficult to say yes or no as some people have had good results and some people have had no results. If you are going to get a good result you need to be very committed to putting in long hours every day. If you work during the day you will need to come straight home after to put the domes on so will affect your social life. The domes are larger than they look on the Brava website so you cannot hide them under clothes (they stick out about 15cm from your body!). The domes are also uncomfortable and can give skin problems, you will sleep badly for the first week.
If you have time and money to spare and would not be too disappointed by only a small change then go for it. If you really do not want implants then go for it. If you are not sure maybe get some cheap domes from ebay and make your own airlock so you can try it. I am on week 8 (averaging over 15 hours daily) and I am happy wearing it over night but it is itchy if I wear it during the day as well. I am 1 cup bigger after 11 hours without domes so I do feel that I have growth but you need to measure 2 weeks after stopping to be sure. I have bigger swelling in the mornings than for the first few weeks. I intend to use for 26 weeks as Brava have said there will be no more gain after this time and then if I do have a noticeable result I will do another 26 weeks.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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terorera
(Login terorera) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 4:52 PM
Hi again and thanks for your response.
It is good to know about the advantages and disadvantages of wearing this device. 26 weeks seems to be a really long time... what about the 12 or 14 weeks that they say is enough to increase your breast?
I work only in the mornings... well... from 9 to 2. I have a lot of free time... but I'm young and I like to go out so often... I'm not talking about going out at nights... but I like going out in the afternoons and sometimes in the evening to have dinner and so on...
I think that I can wear this machine since 8 or 9 in the evening... until 8 of the following day... that is, 11 or 12 hours per day. But... what happens if one day it is impossible for me to achieve this amount of hours?
What also worries me is what you told me about the size of this product... Can you sleep confortable or not? Oh my god!! It is a really great effort to wear this device but if as you have told me... so far, it has worked... it may be great.
Could you tell me, if you don´t mind, the size which which you started and the size of bra that you are wearing now? So that I can imagine the amount... Have you bought another pair of domes? Some people say that it is necessary when your breast grows and I'm really worry of the fact that, at the end of the treatment, I have spent a lot of money with any result.
Talking about other devices... I don´t know. I don´t trust them. You know... it is the same as when you would like to cook something in the oven. If you have to cook something for 1 hour at 100º... May you achieve the same result cooking it for 1/2 hour at 200º? I don´t think so... for that reason I don´t trust them... although, maybe, people may achieve fantastic results... or not.
Well, once more, thanks a lot for sharing your experience with me.
Terorera.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 5:26 PM
I started at 27-28 underbust and 31-32 bust. It is very difficult to measure accurately as tape measure slips so measurement is always variable. I repeated my measurements for about 10 days before ordering as it is most important to get correct dome size. I started off before Brava at 135 lbs (61kg) wearing 32B (75B) or 34A (80A) and filled bra properly but I was fat! Then I lost weight (110 lb/ 50kg) and lost boobs but didn't buy new bras so bra was less full. Then I started Brava at probably 32A. Now when I first take the domes off I'm 32DD (I wear 36D for comfort so not to rub the skin), measure about 35-36 around bust. After leaving the domes off for 11 hours (I haven't left them off longer) I have been 32C about 33.5 inches.
Look at my program page for hours each day
http://www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1182080248/last-1187887526/Veggie+NBE+with+Brava)When I work I can only get 12-13 hours so I do longer on my days off to make up. Brava say there is no help to wear it for more than 14 hours but the theory behind Brava when used in other areas of plastic surgery is used 24 hours a day constantly so a lot of us put in longer hours. This is also why I don't trust the other devices (also on this site the people who claimed to have a result with bravabreast were trying to sell the product).
Brava have said that when you are the size you want when you put the domes back on then you should do 2-3 more weeks to make it permanent but they also said some people respond slowly and take 20-22 weeks to see the effect. I definitely got more swelling after 6 weeks and have only just started to keep swelling. When I first got my domes (narrow-large) I barely filled 25%. After 6 weeks I could completely fill them in a long session so moved up to narrow-XL (you have to pay for bigger domes) which are maybe 1-2 inches deeper.
This is how you look with XL domes on:
http://users.telenet.be/lolo.ferrari/
The large domes in very loose clothes make you look fat and out of shape but the XL looks like a freak!
In response to your question, you need minimum 11 hours wearing and maximum 13 hours not wearing regularly. And it must be 11 consecutive hours not some in the morning and some in the evening. One day in the week where you only do 8.5 hours will not count as a missed day but less than 8.5 hours (or less than 11 twice in one week) means you need to add 5 days at the end to make up. Maybe it is easier in winter when the weather is bad. Luckily it has not been hot here this summer.
When you first wear Brava you will probably sleep very badly. I slept maybe 2 hours for first 2 nights, different people have put pillows in different places to help. I found using 3-4 pillows to lift the legs kept me on my back. Brava can also give back pain to start with. I slept comfortably after 1-2 weeks. Now I sleep with 3 pillows behind me and two at the side like a big chair.
I also take Wonder up herbal breast pills which may also help growth and I am trying to eat more protein. Brava say you do not need to change your diet and can excercise but should not lose more than 7 lb (3kg) weight while using Brava. Generally you can do all normal things in the home but reaching very high or low can stretch the skin under the arm and the dome unsticks.
Feel free to ask any more questions.
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 6:53 PM
Thanks again!
I think I will try it... The only thing is that until next month... I won´t have any money hehehe. I have spoken to my boyfriend since I am living with him and he told me that he prefer that choice than the surgery since it is natural... although he also told me that he likes my breast exactly as it is... But I would like to have a larger breast... at least a little bit more large.
How much it was for you? Where did you buy it?
Thanks a lot for everything... again! xDDD
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 7:01 PM
I bought direct from Brava. www.mybrava.org The UK website can deliver to Europe but there may be extra charge for that. I paid £790 GBP for original set (special offer, usually £990) and £200 more for XL domes. Buying from Brava has the advantage that you get a 90 day warranty if you have a break down. I looked at ebay but they charged £350 for domes only so I don't understand why anyone would buy from there if it costs more and there is no guarantee. When you get Brava it comes in a plain box by courier, make sure you check the domes are the correct size before you remove the seal, if they send the wrong size you can send them back. Build up the wear time slowly to avoid skin problems.
Good luck and let us know how you get on x
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA August 30 2007, 7:25 PM
Hi again,
This days I have been in contact with Brava from the UK. They have sent me some information about the device and the price for sending it to Spain (since here we do not have any distributor).
Of course, if I buy one... I will buy to them or to any autorized seller... since I would like to receive constant consultation, warranty and the possibility of buying new products when necessary.
Once more... thanks!
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terorera
(no login) Airlock? September 1 2007, 10:54 AM
Hi again,
after seeing a lot of posts about the brava system... I'm a little bit confused.
People talk about the smartbox and the airlock. The smartbox is the one who comes with the original system, doesn´t it? Which one do you use?
I'm buying this system next month... in the first of second week of October and for this reason I'm asking a lot of questions... I don´t want to waste my money
Thanks a lot for your advice... once more. xDDDD
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Natasha
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 1 2007, 1:25 PM
For most women brava ends up being a waste of money no matter what you do.
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Black Sheep
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September 1 2007, 4:52 PM If what you say is true... the only way to improve my breast is with surgery
Have you had a bad experience with Brava?
Thanks.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 1 2007, 7:00 PM
I used the smartbox to start, and when you first use it you feel quite a lot of suction but you get used to it easily. The airlock is a T shape made from rubber tubes (you can buy the tubes and make it yourself very cheaply - use the 6mm diameter tubes they use for fish tanks) with either a valve or a clip at the end. You suck air out with your mouth and use the valve / clip to hold it. This way you can get more suction which gives more swelling. Diana1978 used suction and got 2 inches gain in 7 weeks! Too muc hsuction is bad for the skin so it may be better to start with the smartbox so you know how hard to suction. I dropped my smartbox 2weeks ago and I'm not sure how reliable it is now so have just used the airlock. The smartbox has an alarm to wake you up if you lose the seal, if you use an airlock and the domes came off in the night you would miss the night if you didn't wake up. I just suction them on hard and put pillows round so I can't move and they haven't fallen off yet. If you can wait I will post results in 18 weeks (probably beginning of January), I have so far used it very carefully for long hours and not missed a night.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 1 2007, 7:02 PM
Also you may want to contact the American Brava department and ask for Brava Sport (same as Brava but you need to put a battery in the smartbox instead of recharging it) - everything in America is a lot cheaper so even with shipping costs it may be better value. Also ask how much second set of domes would be.
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Natasha
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 2 2007, 8:48 AM
Brava didn't work for me, but I'm not saying it doesn't work for anyone. I'm sure some women are happy with their results, but I believe they are in a minority. By the way, why do you think that the only options you have are Brava or cosmetic surgery. Have you ruled out any other possible method?
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 2 2007, 3:59 PM
Are there any other alternatives?
Please, give me some advice.
If only I could have one cup more!
Thanks!
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 2 2007, 4:54 PM
Have a look at the herbal forum, in my opinion it seems to work best for women who are otherwise in good health and have good diet. I take Wonderup as well as Brava, which then makes it hard to see what works but I am desperate! It is important not to use massage if you use Brava as it will reduce swelling.
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terorera
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 3 2007, 3:37 PM
Thanks for your advice!
I have to read a lot... for herbal forum do you mean pueraria forum? Does this product work, actually?
Thanks!
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 3 2007, 8:46 PM
i think Brava can work for anyone but not in 10 weeks. maybe not even 20. maybe it would take a year to get the results. the body adapts and reacts, but each is diferent. it's based on a medical method that has been used for years. so if you really want it to work it will. but the sad thing is not everyone can stick to it long enough.
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Louise
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 3 2007, 11:03 PM
Hey Lexy,
How many weeks and average hours have you done? What was your start size and how much are you keeping at the end of the day? How many weeks are you planning on? Any skin probs?
Sorry for the inquisition, hope all going well xx
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Born Again Sheep
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 4 2007, 7:33 AM
The herbal forum referred to is the main forum here, not the pueraria forum.
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lexy
(no login) hey louise September 5 2007, 5:59 AM
my hours have been pretty messy i had hollydays and several issues. temporary skin problems but only when i forget to take it off and it's very hot. nothing severe that won't go away and i don't think i'll get any scars. for my hours, here it is:
1: 12, 16, 6, 14, 14, 15, 21,5 - 98h
2: 16, 6, 10, 22, 7, 20, 11, 9-101h
3: 8, 3, 11, 12, 5, 18, 12, 14, 16- 99h
4: 18, 18, 7, 9, 9, 10, 8- 79h
5: 9, 8, 7, 14, 14, 16, 11, 17- 95h -2
6: 19, 15, 8, 20, 6, 11, 13, 12- 104h
7: 20, 10, 16, 21, 17, 28, 7- 119h
8: 13, 17, 10, 14, 16, 16, 16- 102h -2
9: 18, 6, 10, 11, 10, 14, 18, 16 - 103h
10: 18, 23, 12, 16, 21, 18, 19 - 127h
11: 7, 19, 15, 19, 18, 37 - 115h -1
12: 14, 12, 11, 17, 12, 16, 20 - 102h
13: 13, 4, 9, 12, 14, 8, 7 - 67h -2
14: 8, 30, 11, 16, 15, 17 - 97h
15: 15, 12, 20, 19, 17, 16, 13 - 112h
16: 14, -1
the minuses are the lost nights so basicly i am feft with 8 out of the 16 weeks. i got used to brava and if i made it thru summer i think i'll wear it till spring. from now on i can go out with the medium wide ones. i can hide those pretty well. i can't say how much i keep by the time i put them back on cause the breaks vary. what i can say is that i lost a night 2 days ago and after 36 hours i kept 1,5 cm across each breast. that's how i measure, i think it's ore aqurate. so i guess that's a good sign. i'm thinking of adding herbs too but i'm scared of getting nodules or even worse.
bast luck to you and everybody else.
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 5 2007, 9:55 AM
Lexy, thanks, that's a great help and even with the random breaks you seem to be maintaining some - congratulations!
You said about getting a heat rash - how did you fix it?
Have a look at the main forum if you're thinking about herbs, also you might want to consider some of the tissue building things like borage oil / flax seed oil, protein shakes, booby foods, collagen, gelatine etc. They have worked alone for some people if you're nervous about herbs. I think drinking a lot of water is good for boobs too but find it really hard to do.
Good luck x
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 6 2007, 5:40 PM
heat rashes.... i used hydrocortizol cream but mostly i think they went away naturally. dryed and peeled
. i try to place the domes a bit diferently the next day to help it heal. not long ago i wore it for 30 hours and it was hot and it was itchy but i wouldn't give up and i got myself a rash circle around each boob that still hasn't gone away completly. u'd say my boobs had been cut off and glued back on.i have a whitish circle around each boob from friction. that bugged me during summer but now i don't have to worry about it.
about herbs... i studyed the main forum even before buying brava. i think i know every lil trick. i eat lots of oat. not only for boobs but general health. it had good carbs with low absorbtion. doesn't taste necesarelly good but.... and with water i have the same problem as you. i keep trying.
i will try and speak to a doctor about this. one specialized in plants. they should know better. i didn't wanna add herbs until i knew brava really works for me and now it seems pretty clear it does.
what seems to be a good sign is that after 10 hours without brava i am left with just as much as after 36 hours. so i tend to think the swelling goes away fast and the rest is actual growth. 1.5cm is not vizible progress but it only means i can grow. i hope i don't end up dissapointed. but then again... can't know till i try. i;'m staying optimistic
funny story. i never told my friends about brava because... well they never asked. and a few days ago i hear everyone keeps talking about how i must have had implants or something. but noone understood why i didn't say anything. yet they were asking eachother and asking my bf but noone had the guts to ask me
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lexy
(no login) one more thought September 6 2007, 5:49 PM
i think the ideea that if you do 7 hours one night takes you back 1 week is bull.
mainly because completly missing the night also takes u back 1 week. noone will ever convince me that those 7 or 8 hours count for nothing while 8.5 hours can count as a completed day. the half an hour or 1 hour is supose to make such a big diference? a week? sounds a lil exagerated.
and if it were true then i would have to have 8 countable weeks so far. now i'm a slow responder with very very lil fat on my breasts. i'm 5.8 and 114 lbs. i burn fat faster then i eat. i doubt that if it were true i could have kept 1.5 cm in 8 weeks. if that was the case brava would be very very popular.
just sharing some thoughts. good luck everyone
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 6 2007, 7:36 PM
Hey Lexy, when you say you eat oats what does is look like? Is it actually whole oat grains or some sort of powder? I have to watch what I eat quite carefully as I put on weight easily and then lose weight easily on a diet. I eat a lot of soy. Can't belive you're so tall! I'm 5'1 110 lbs. When you are talking about your measurements where exactly do you start and finish?
I was 2 inches up after 15 hours without domes last week but now only 1 inch up after 12 hours so I think if you do a lot of long hours it takes a while for the swelling to go down. I did 112.75 hours over 5 days (including 37.5 with no break) and used a lot of suction - this is how I got the rash! Did you ever have to leave the domes off for it to go? How long befor it was gone?
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 7 2007, 8:41 AM
the oats i eat are whole grain but there's some powder among them. i think you should easely find that. there are some that taste worse then others. but u should be able to have a choice. i never was on a diet but i try to eat healthy as much as i can. even if u lose the weight easely you should avoid fluctuations because in long them those leave marks you can avoid. if you want a few tips about losing weight and eating healthy in the same time you should consider:
1: never starve urself, when u do, ur body deposits fat. the " half a biscuit for breakfast, an orange for lunch and water for dinner" kinda diet is the worse thing anyone can do and it's even worse when u wanna lose weight. so have 5 meals a day, never eat too much in one meal and try to have a rithm. it's not about how much you eat it's WHAT you eat.
2: avoid bad carbs as much as you can. white bread, potatoes, pasta, white rize, sugar, alcohool. you can find lists on the internet.
3: choose low fat aliments. try to avoid chemically prepaird stuff as salami, pastrami, bacon and all the rest. even if some look low in fat they are full of toxins or smoked. make ur own steaks and try not to burn them. find ways to cook to avoid all the tar.
4: don't mix fat and bad carbs. all meat has a certain amount of fat so it's best to eat it with a side salad and lose the potatoes or any other bad carb. why you should not do that would be too long of an explanation but if you are interested about it, read "michel montignac - eat urself slim". in 2 words, bad carbs raise ur insuline level very high and that deposits fat. when you eat fat in the same time all that fat is depozited instead of being mostly eliminated.
5: drink lots of water and exercize but you already know that
in other order of ideeas, when i measure i start on the side and finish where my boob finishes close to the middle. check the second pisture in the link : http://www.justbreastimplants.com/size_pics.htm
and when i get to wear it longer hours for a longer time i keep it more too but never that much. if i wear it 12-14 hours a day all the swelling goes away in like 10 hours. but the good thing is that i am left with something. since after 30 hours i have the same size as after 10 hours i like to think that's growth. you keep a lot. congrats. watch the manual suction. i use a bit too but only a bit more then the smartbox gives me. it may have bad consequences on ur boobs too not only skin and that's not really worthit.
i never left the domes off intentionately. but i lost seal and i don't hear the alarm or i was on vacation and could only do it while sleapping. my most recent hobby is diving so taking trips every day and going out every evening doesn't leave you with much time for brava. most nights i get to wear it for 8-9 hours when that happens.
when i get a rash i don't leave it off. i wear it minimum time and when i do i try to hit a diferent area with the domes and from time to time i take it off to clean my skin. i still have a brown line on the side of one of my breasts from the last rash and it's been 2 weeks. it was a bad rash. veerrrry bad. it dryed and peeled but i still got some leftovers.
when i was a kid i had this bad wound on my knee that i kept for 3 months. as soon as it partly healed i'd fall and open it back. i have the scar from that and it's barelly visible. so i don't expect a brava rash to leave a scar. at least in my case.
hope this answers ur questions. good luck and congrats on ur results so far.
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 7 2007, 9:05 PM
Lexy, thanks for all the advice and info, I don't really want to lose more weight, just want to tone up my legs a bit - any tips for exercise? Looking at the things you mention I am veggie and don't drink alcohol so that's a good start, I have to be very careful with portion size and when I've eaten enough in a day stop! My rash seems to be getting better actually, I used Potter's witch hazel cleanser and zinc cream which are both good for any skin problems. I also have PCOS which causes too much insulin, high blood sugar and high testosterone so the doctor has given me metformin to cause insulin sensitivity (so less it produced) it also lowers blood sugar, doctor as also given me dianette contraceptive which I think is quite strong and blocks testosterone so hopefully that will at least put me in the same starting position as everyone else. I am now going to try borage and flax seed oils and collagen. Will also look out for oats but worried I already eat too much soy!
p.s. I dropped my smartbox and I'm worried it's not reliable so I use airlock with no alarm. If I suck the domes on quite tight then sleep either with about 3 pillows to keep my knees raised or 3 pillows behind me and 2 at the side these both keep me on my back and stop me moving - haven't lost a seal yet
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lexy
(no login) Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 7 2007, 10:47 PM
i dropped my smartbox several times but it still works. u sure urs doesn't? i really dropped it badly. usually batterys move and i have to rearange them but it works fine. the only thing is i feel it doesn't suck as much air as in the begining. or maybe i got used to the lil extra suction. i dunno.
i think the best way to tone legs is running but that's borring
you should try a dinamic sport like tennis. it's fun too and you won't feel like making an effort. i also find these good for legs and ass:http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Exercises/Lunges.htm
good luck
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Lillea
(Login Lillea)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: I'm thinking about wearing BRAVA September 8 2007, 6:13 AM
Hi Louise,
This exercise:
http://www.t-tapp.com/articles/legs/
really helped me! I'm slim but I tend to put weight on my thighs, the front and inner thighs particularly. This can be done at home easily. The creator truly has worked with models and now people of many different sizes. I recommend her DVDs. it's true from my experience that you can reduce your size w/o dieting with her programs.