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please help im getting pain in my ribs with brava

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seems to work more on the bone tissue
November 9 2007 at 9:15 PM lexy (no login)

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remember i posted that i had a border on the inner side of each breast? i was wrong i have a border allover. a bony circle around the boobs. it seems like my bone has grown. when my boobs are swollen it's all good but when i completly deflate it shows on the upper and inner part. and that sucks. i am afraid that if i don't keep anything, the border will be very obvious on the upper part and i will have destroyed my nice round small boobs. i liked them better before. i'm thinking i should stop but i'm scared to take the step. i have about 25 weeks already. i stopped counting the hours about 2 weeks ago.

louise if you read this... you said you had a bony lump too in my other post. i remember i used to have something like that. like one of my ribbs was a bit swollen between my boobs. now all are and they formed a border.

just as a warning. feel ur boobs carefully when the swelling is gone and they are back to being nice and soft.

i would apreciate any thoughts or ideeas. good luck



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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: seems to work more on the bone tissue November 9 2007, 10:38 PM


Hi Lexy,

Do you wear the Brava bra or an equivalent? I first got the lump when I visited hubby abroad. He didn't like to see me in the domes and didn't like the big fart noise if I lose a seal trying to get to sleep so I mainly wore them while he was at work. As no one knew me I sucked them on really tight and used a sports bra then put loose clothes on and went out and about it them. I hardly ever do this at home and since I've been using the airlock and spend most of the evening lying around I don't bother with the bra. The bra points the domes inwards and puts a lot of pressure on the sternum area. Since I've stopped wearing it the domes point out more and the pressure is spread more evenly. As far as I can tell my lump's gone, it was only really ever visible when I'd had the domes on very tight for a long time and more as it was red than raised. I'll have a poke about tomorrow after work. My boobs in general are really fairly firm - like pressing your wrist not your stomach. They are harder when not swollen. I lost 14 lbs before starting Brava and have lost 15 lbs since, I've lost about 0.5 inch from my hips, 0-0.5 from my waist. Possibly some from my arms and a lot round the shoulders. Also now got ribs between my boobs which I never had before. Trying to lose fat from my legs. I think losing all this from the top half means that I'm left with fairly dense breast tissue which is why it's hard.

If you're worried I'd stop, give it a few days and see if it goes away. The reading I've done on chostrochondritis says it goes on it's own. Does it feel painful to touch? Painful to breathe? I very occasionally get a sharp pain, and sometimes get pain and shortness of breath for a few seconds when I remove the domes especially if I've had them very tight but I never get the hickey marks like I used to - maybe the skin has stretched or got used to it? The Brava coach told me that some people who are very slow responders take 20-22 weeks to see an improvement at the end of the day but there is no benefit from wearing beyond 26 weeks. Then you need 3-4 months break before another cycle. Are you seeing growth at the end of the day? They also said to do 2-3 weeks more after you see the size you want at the end of the day to make it permanent. I only really had a visible difference after week 16. I want to do 26-30 weeks in total as I missed a couple of nights travelling, but I think you've done enough to get an idea whether it works for you or not.


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Alcest
(Login Alcest) Re: seems to work more on the bone tissue November 10 2007, 12:45 AM


I do have a small bony lump on my sternum...more to my left side. It is very tender to touch but you can't really see it unless the light shines in a specific way.

I am keeping a very watchful eye on it..

I hope whatever happened to your chest will go away Lexy.


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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Lexy...... November 10 2007, 9:26 PM


Ok, have left the domes off for 13.5 hours and can just about feel a slight bony lump where it was before, about the shape and flat size of an almond but only half as raised. Nothing to see either looking down or in the mirror. I've got ribs sticking out all over the place but not specifically where the domes touch. Where exactly is your ring? Is it just where the deflated boob attaches to the chest or further out where the silicone bit goes? I think mine is where the hard edge of the dome pressed through the silicone when I tried to airlock the right to the same size as the left. I think hubby would be lucky to find it if he knew what to look for and 99% sure he wouldn't notice otherwise and I'm still at least 0.5 cups bigger than when I was 30 lbs heavier so really think it's doing something good for me - thank God!


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Alcest
(Login Alcest) Re: seems to work more on the bone tissue November 11 2007, 2:22 PM


Lexy I have another question for you---

Have you used just the smartbox's suction,or an airlock/manual suction as well?

I think I remember reading the smartbox's suction was too subtle to do anything to your bones, but perhaps if you used a stronger suction it might have done something,I don't know.


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lexy
(no login) sorry to reply this late, i was away for a bit November 12 2007, 1:01 PM


so the ring of bone has a width of about 3cm on the upper part and between my boobs and it's smaller on the outer sides and below. when i deflate i can only feel the upper and inner part and very lil on the rest. on the upper part is positioned just inside the domes, and in the lower part, just under the boobs so it is clearly not a result of dome pressure. i can tell that because where the domes hit i have a ligher coloured circle cause they rubbed against my skin and all the tan went away. and the swollen part is just below that.

i do use airlock during the day but i set the pressure with the smartbox every 2 hours or so. it is just so i protect the smartbox. when i use the smartbox i do, however, press the domes against my chest to get better suction since i feel my smartbox is weaker then in the begining. i do wear the bra at night, but again, the swelling is not a result of dome pressure and it is more to the upper part then the inner part.

it is not at all painfull, nor does it give me breathing problems or anything else. it is simply an aesthetical issue that after all is not that bad if i get to keep at least the 1.5cm on each breast that i seem to have gained. but if i lose it, i have a problem. i have had this measurement for a long time so it looks like im not growing anymore. i also don't swell that much either.
it has been 25 weeks since i started but i think i lost at least 5.

and louise, i have ribbs between my boobs now too Smile

i haven't given up yet but i have tryed to place the domes much lower. i was trying to go below the swollen area but that's not posible. i still think it may be a lil better.

and as a tip to everyone. i have always had problems losing seal at night cause i don't hear the smartbox. i first solved that by not setting the alarm that would stop the smartbox if i don't hear it. since then i woke up with some swelling in the morning so even if i lose it it's not for long. if the smartbox starts at eventually hear it. also, since i tryed placing the domes lower i can sleep on the side and lose no suction at all. i have been doing this for a week and i forgot how much fun it is tu curl up in bed and for my boyfriend to be able to hold me at night. before this he had to climb the pillows i had on the sides to do thatSmile. i place them very low. i can see more then an inch of skin under the breast after i suck them on. also the upper part has to be lower then my armpits so when i lift my arms forward i don't feel them. but i would not recommend this if you have fat tissue on ur ribbs. i don't so i'm not worryed i'll grow there.

i hope that if i don't get growth, at least that swollen area will go away.


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livinonaprayer
(no login) Re: seems to work more on the bone tissue November 12 2007, 1:43 PM


I don't know if it is what I had, but I had a swollen area under each breast from placing the domes too low and pressing them on too hard. According to the Brava coach, it would become a "fat pad" under each breast because of how hard I pressed them on and placing them too low. I was putting them lower because after they were on for a few hours, the silicone rims would expand and press under my armpits and when I was laying on my back, sometimes they seemed to expand and be up near my collarbone. She said to take an ink pen and measure 1 1/2" below the breast crease and make a mark there. Place the domes OUTER edge there. If you do that, when the smartbox suction is activated it leaves enough space for air to circulate around your breast without your breast resting on the actual inside of the dome. When you remove them in the morning and see the outline, they are in perfect position. It almost seems like the domes' silicone edge changes size and shape during wear. My sportbox would come on a few times during wear too adjust pressure and I would feel it pull on my chest more. Apparently resting your breast on the inside of the dome can cause skin problems and she also said don't press too hard even though it may take longer to get a seal because the silicone will break down quicker and you'll apply too much suction to the surrounding tissue. After doing what she said, I noticed the swelling underneath went away. If you press less hard and use the sportbox/smartbox, it may alarm and you might have to try again to get your seal. I had the most trouble with air escaping along the sides, so I would try to hold really still and lightly run my hands along the sides where the air came out the most, but once you get the seal, it should stay put unless you ready for something or put your arm too far behind you. At first, I also had my husband lightly hold the sides still so the air could come out.


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Louise
(no login) Re: seems to work more on the bone tissue November 12 2007, 2:07 PM


Lexy - are you sure your domes aren't too wide for your body. When I put either the narrow L or narrow XL on it only covers the boob not the surrounding area, although I think there may have been some overlap to start. Also after maybe 2 hours the L is full and nipple pressed at the end, then when I move up to the XL before bed (don't like to hang around the house in them!) I've already got skin up against the inside of the dome. I know if I've been wearing them a lot I get the middle swelling that you had and as the swelling goes down I get a little swelling beneath each breast but I think this is just where gravity has moved the fluid down as the swelling goes down - I know someone who overdid it with some sort of arm exercise and got a watery swelling on each side under her armpit that took a few days to go and during healing it made it's way right down her side. I'm not sure if the midline ribs is to do with Brava making bones more prominent or just weight loss as I know my waist hasn't changed and my hips haven't changed much, have definitely lost a bit of lovehandle and fatty arms but I've also developed sticky out shoulder bones that I didn't have before, and my ribs are also more noticeable down my back. I think a fair bit of my weight loss has been top half.

Also how much growth do you have in terms of bust / underbust measurements and bra size?
When are you thinking of stopping?

I thought I was getting less swelling but seemed to have got it back now, maybe I wasn't sucking hard enough.


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jodi
(no login) how did u lose weight louise? November 27 2007, 8:56 PM


hey louise, i've been reading your posts and am now wondering how you lost all the weight? congrats by the way. does brava help in losing weight somehow? or were you dieting and exercising? thanks!
jodi


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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: seems to work more on the bone tissue November 27 2007, 10:32 PM


Brava's good but not that good! I lost 14 lbs just by not constantly eating junk food and was doing a little bit of 80s aerobics with Jane Fonda tapes but never very often as I'm lazy (Feb-May), then got Brava in June and also take Wonderup, all of these things have better chance of working if you have a high protein diet and drink lots of water, the only thing I could find that was veggie and high protein without lots of fat was slim fast so been having 2 slim fast meal bars, a low fat egg sandwich and a pack of low fat crisps daily (and nothing else most days although cheating a bit now). Only intended to maintain the weight I'd already lost but by September had lost another 15 lbs (doing now exercise at all now!). I'm now in pretty good shape but got nasty saddlebag thighs, doing daily workout that my personal trainer gave me and about to start callenetics 10 hour (1 per week) program. Still have the slim fast meal replacement bar for breakfast every day and the low fat egg sandwich, then have porridge with booby herbs and soy milk for dinner 3 nights per week and a low fat dinner (chilli bean wraps or pasta usually) on the other nights and probably another slim fast bar. So far since June I'm down half inch on my waist and hips, no change on the thighs, down half-one inch underbust and up 1-1.5 inches on the bust. With Brava I won't know if this is a true result until couple of weeks after I finish but here's hoping! Feb-May lost about half-one cup from 32B on fat body to loose B / A on slimmer body, now more like very full B / C on even slimmer body so making progress! Will DEFINITELY be posting all over the place if I can pull this off! If it's lower body / leg exercise you're interested let me know.


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jodi
(no login) yes, lower body exercise November 28 2007, 1:06 AM


hi louise,
thanks for all your replies to all my questions. yes, i am looking to tone my lower body--particularly those pesky thighs! i like my butt...altho a small lift may do it well too. i lost about 20 lbs since march and have maintained it thus far. altho, i think i'm starting to put a bit back on. i haven't gotten on the scale but am starting to feel it in my pants a bit. so i was thinking of going on a diet called the apple cleanse diet where you eat nothing but apples all day whenever you're hungry and then for dinner, you eat 50% of your meal consisting of green veggies with protein. it's also good for cleansing. i'm just so unmotivated right now. i also need to exercise, but haven't gotten my butt up to do it yet since july! your diet sounds really good too. i am the classic pear shape...small waist and arms and very small boobs! wide hips, big butt (which i like..and so does the hubby, btw...heheh), and chubby thighs (which i am NOT feeling!). i used to be muscular back in the day in high school but now 10 years later, it's starting to sag! anyway, yes, if you have any good lower body exercises, i would so appreciate it. thanks again louise...
jodi


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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: seems to work more on the bone tissue November 28 2007, 9:56 AM


Wow! The apple diet takes me back - tried that when I was 14 but mine had you eating only apples and drinking wate for 48 hours then excitingly introducing brown rice...I did the two days although I remember I felt sick but couldn't do the next two weeks.

I've also been very pear shaped, small waist and upper body, fat thighs and arms, big backside. But actually mine is more to do with fat distribution than bone structure and now the only fat I have left is my thighs and boobs...hope the boobs anyway! I'll collect together the info from repsonses to my posts about exercise tips on the main board, write up mine and stick it all in the reference page section hopefully today or tomorrow.

Callanetics looks great - it's a book by someone trained in classical ballet about the exercises she used to get her figure how she wanted and kind of physiotherapy for her back and knee problems, also includes butt photos of her students, some are just before and after but one is after 1 session each week for 19 weeks and over the 19 pics you can see a slow elimination of lovehandles and saddlebags. It's not strenuous cardio work so shoudln't burn fat where you don't want, it's just to tone the whole body. The book is no longer in print but I got mine from Thrift Books (I think through Amazon new and used) for about $5. You read the instructions in the book and do a one hour workout per week at your own pace so you can do the whole lot on your day off or a bit every evening. I'll be doing this as well as my trainer's program.
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