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so... i stopped
November 20 2007 at 1:58 AM lexy (no login)
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i remember i was always afraid of reading posts like the one i'm typing right now. 1 have 3 nights without brava so far. 14 hours after i took it off for the last time i had the constant 1.5cm on each boob that has been there for more then 2 months and it made me realise that if i grew at all i'm not growing anymore.
3 days later i seem to have only 1cm growth. i am scared to measure further. not that i can see anything. 1cm does not show. AT ALL. and i'm 100% sure that it's bone swelling that i'm praying will go away. all brava did for me, i'm afraid, is change my shape and bring some blood vessels closer to the skin. and i liked my shape better before. and i swear they are softer now. they didn't get saggy but i can feel it.
i remember the D cup days when i was so full of hope. i'm not sorry i tryed it. at least i won't be left wondering if it would have worked for me. i'll give it about 2 weaks to see if i have permanent shape damage. i'll also try to post some pictures.
i had a couple of weaks when i could wear it for like 7-9 hours a day. i dunno how badly that influenced my lack of growth. plus all those nights when i lost suction... although i tryed to wear it so i could be sure i logged at least 10 hours, i'm not sure how well i did. so i'm not a model for brava but i sure don't like the side effects.
overall, 25 weeks, 2626 hours, 15h/day average.... i'll measure again in a few days
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Louise
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 20 2007, 10:40 PM
Hi Lexy, sorry to hear you've had such a bad time. Out of your 25 weeks how many did you do 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? What was the most consecutive weeks where you managed to get 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? Have you lost weight at all? What was your starting / finishing bust and underbust measurement and bra size? Let us know if the rib thing goes away. Do you have a very low BMI? Did you outgrow your 1st domes to the point where they were always too small or just that you could touch right at the end of a session? How much swelling did you get? (I remember you saying you didn't get much at the end). Sorry that all this will obviously be more help to future users than to you - hope you find something else that works instead and that you're sleeping better, take care x
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lexy
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 21 2007, 3:06 AM
first of all i'm not sure i'm not gonna try again if the bone growth stays but i will definetly change my aproach. i will have to use domes with much smaller diameter so the bone growth happens under the breast and not around. but i will get x-rays first to make sure there were no other side effects. to answer ur questions, louise:
"Out of your 25 weeks how many did you do 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? What was the most consecutive weeks where you managed to get 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? Have you lost weight at all? "
easyer to give you my notes:
1: 12, 16, 6, 14, 14, 15, 21,5 - 98h
2: 16, 6, 10, 22, 7, 20, 11, 9 -101h
3: 8, 3, 11, 12, 5, 18, 12, 14, 16 - 99h
4: 18, 18, 7, 9, 9, 10, 8 - 79h
5: 9, 8, 7, 14, 14, 16, 11, 17 - 95h
6: 19, 15, 8, 20, 6, 11, 13, 12 - 104h
7: 20, 10, 16, 21, 17, 28, 7 - 119h
8: 13, 17, 10, 14, 16, 16, 16 - 102h
9: 18, 6, 10, 11, 10, 14, 18, 16 - 103h
10: 18, 23, 12, 16, 21, 18, 19 - 127h
11: 7, 19, 15, 19, 18, 37 - 115h
12: 14, 12, 11, 17, 12, 16, 20 - 102h
13: 13, 4, 9, 12, 14, 8, 7 - 67h
14: 8, 30, 11, 16, 15, 17 - 97h
15: 15, 12, 20, 19, 17, 16, 13 - 112h
16: -, 14, 19, 12, 18, 15, 14 - 92h
17: 18, 16, 14, 13, 12, 14, 18 - 105h
18: 12, 14, 10, 13, 16, 12, 16 - 93h
19: 12, 22, 21, 13, 14, 28 - 110h
20: 11, 27, 17, 16, 16, 24, 21 - 132h
21: 10, 15, 10, 20, 24, 20 - 99h
22: 18, 19, 17, 18, 16, 14, 20 - 122h
23: 37, 18, 18, 15, 20, 15 - 123h
24: 20, 18, 17, 19, 14, 19, 13 - 120h
25: didn't take notes, but i did not lose any days - estimate 110h
total: 2626h
some weeks i logged many hours at once so if you see only 6 entrys it does not mean i lost a day.
lost only one night completly in week 16 but i have plenty with under 11.
"What was your starting / finishing bust and underbust measurement and bra size?"
sorry i didn't write those down. i only measured each breast individually and i was 19cm across the left and 17cm across the right. now i'm about 20.5 and 19. we'll see if that stays
"Do you have a very low BMI?"
yup, 17,6 but very happy about it. i'm skinny and i like it. wouldn't trade that for bigger boobs.
"Have you lost weight at all?"
i've been ~52kg all my post teen years but i might have lost some fat. not sure, but if i did my boobs, ribbs and face would be the first to lose it. nothing significant though, the scale doesn't show it.
"Did you outgrow your 1st domes to the point where they were always too small or just that you could touch right at the end of a session? "
I did and pretty fast. as in if i only took a 6-8 hour break i would fill them up in about 4 hours. and that happent after about 6-7 weeks. but after i got my bigger set i stopped swelling that much and i chose to let the smartbox do it's thing so i can wear the smaller ones (i simply hated the wide-large ones)
"How much swelling did you get?"
depending on the hours i would wear it, and the break between the sessions i would swell up to 24-26cm on across each breast.
Loiuse i think you started with narrow. can you tell me what ur smallest domes are and can you measure them for me? i am interested in the horizontal and vertical diameter.
Oh and i wanna sell my wide-large ones. If i will do another session i will surelly not need them since i'll probably go with narrow. If there's anyone interested i can take some pics so you can see exactly the condition they are in. i estimate i wore them about 15 times.
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: so... i stopped November 21 2007, 5:10 PM
Looking at your hours it seems to be only weeks 10,12, and 15-25 that you didn't have at least one night less thn 8.5 hours even though you wore for long hours elsewhere which may have made up for it. Were you still losing the seal over night the last 10 weeks? Difficult to relate to your measures - will have a measure of myself when the swelling's down. What bra band size do you wear? If it's 34 you may want to try narrow domes, less than 34 definitely narrow.
These are the dimensions of the narrow large:
Horizontal rigid plastic: 9.5
Vertical rigid plastic: 13.5
Depth rigid plastic: 9.5
Horizontal including silicone: 16
Vertical including silicone: 20.5
Depth including silicone: 12
Have you ever had your body fat measured? I know they say on the main forum you can't grow from herbs if your BMI is less than 19 but not sure that applies with suction, do you eat a lot of protein and a reasonable amount of fat? Roughly how many calroies are you getting per day? My BMI's 20 and I weight quite a bit less than you so guess you're really tall - not sure how other people of your build have done, I'm similar to Diana1978, pretty slim but a bit pear-shaped. Maybe you're right about smaller domes causing the boney bit to be in a different place, mine is definitely under the breast rather than separate.
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lexy
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 22 2007, 2:33 AM
thx for the dimensions.
about my hours... the first weeks i use to do separate short sesions but i still did the 10 minimum so if you see a 3-5-6 or something like that it's a short extra. i counted to have lost 8 weeks. and the last 10 weeks i didn't lose seal cause i wouldn't start the alarm. funny i would not hear the alarm going on for 1 minute but i would hear the buzzing every time. i wear a 34 bra i'm 29" underbust and now 33.5 around. i was maybe 33 when i started but i can't remember. i wear the same bra. i don't actually wear bras but...
i used to be obsesed with padded bras in highschool. then i stopped caring or better yet i realised that even small, a natural breast is much sexyer then a padded bra. anyway...
about nutrition and body fat. i always ate anything i wanted . i used to eat a lot more when i lived with my parents but my weight hasn't changed. i have no ideea how many calories i eat. i consider the calory miths to be overrated. i do know a lot about nutrition but i only apply now and then when i like to think i'm eating healthy and not to lose weight, that would be crazy. my body fat is around 18% if i'm not mistaking but i don't remember exactly. under 20% for sure.
try to wait once for the swelling to go away and carefully feel ur breasts. i'm curious if i'm the only one to respond this way. funny, if i lift my boobs, the rib that is right under the lower edge of the boob is showing. if it were only under my boobs. the part that shows and i don't like is exactly the part that forms the cleaveage. not that bad anyway. i'll have to see if anybody would notice. my roomie said it's all good.
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Alcest
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 25 2007, 2:16 AM
Lexy how are they looking now? it's been about 4 days?
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: so... i stopped November 25 2007, 9:29 PM
It's difficult for me to imagine how much tissue you have overlying your ribs because most of your measurements are similar to mine but you're a lot taller so your BMI's very low - not sure if this means you actually look skinnier but the measurements you give do sound like you had a reasonable amount of breast tissue to start not like you only increased bone mass because that's all you had on your chest. I'm not sure if the ribs just below my boobs are slightly enlarged - definitely no visible change and I've lost a lot of weight so got boens sticking out of various places on my top half. I definitely have visible ribs down my cleavage area but like lines across like normal ribs then obscured by the breast and showing again at the side, this is probably just weight loss, not sure if I had this last time I was this low on weight but I do remember I was down to about 32A so at least I'm not in that position! Let us know how the boobs and ribs get on - esp as you get past 2-3 weeks. At least if you're left with a bit of extra breast tissue that's something to work on next time and I would think a second cycle would be easier in terms of adaptation and you seem to have fixed the loss of seal problem. I'm currently using BB for half hour before my Brava sessions, not the massage setting but 'suck' which seems to be the strongest. Will complete 10 weeks like this then have 2 weeks off and post progress. Think I may then do another 3-4 months Brava before the weather gets warm.
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lexy
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 25 2007, 9:58 PM
my breasts look pretty normal. front is the same. the profile gives away the swollen area above my boobs but i doubt anyone would notice. when i lift them i see my rib under the breast a lil swollen but i don't have to lift them and if i could get more swelling just there it would be great. it's been a week now. i do think my swelling in the bones went away a tiny lil bit but so did about 2-3 mm. now i can't decide between 1.5 or just 1cm growth.
to louise, i was never flat. i did have a lil boobs to start with. i was between 32B and 34A. my underbust measuring was about 28.5 and still is that means i am between 32 and 34 band. i still wear the same bra and i don't really see a diference. i can't tell if i gained any breast tissue or not.
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Louise
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 26 2007, 6:30 AM
p.s. not sure if the bottom bit of my sternum isn't bigger but hard now rather than swollen before - have you noticed this? (Sounds like you do have some permanent gain, that gives us all hope). I think it's hard to tell with all this rib issues because I never really paid attention to tem before I started so not sure it isn't just my imagination.
November 20 2007 at 1:58 AM lexy (no login)
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i remember i was always afraid of reading posts like the one i'm typing right now. 1 have 3 nights without brava so far. 14 hours after i took it off for the last time i had the constant 1.5cm on each boob that has been there for more then 2 months and it made me realise that if i grew at all i'm not growing anymore.
3 days later i seem to have only 1cm growth. i am scared to measure further. not that i can see anything. 1cm does not show. AT ALL. and i'm 100% sure that it's bone swelling that i'm praying will go away. all brava did for me, i'm afraid, is change my shape and bring some blood vessels closer to the skin. and i liked my shape better before. and i swear they are softer now. they didn't get saggy but i can feel it.
i remember the D cup days when i was so full of hope. i'm not sorry i tryed it. at least i won't be left wondering if it would have worked for me. i'll give it about 2 weaks to see if i have permanent shape damage. i'll also try to post some pictures.
i had a couple of weaks when i could wear it for like 7-9 hours a day. i dunno how badly that influenced my lack of growth. plus all those nights when i lost suction... although i tryed to wear it so i could be sure i logged at least 10 hours, i'm not sure how well i did. so i'm not a model for brava but i sure don't like the side effects.
overall, 25 weeks, 2626 hours, 15h/day average.... i'll measure again in a few days
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Louise
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 20 2007, 10:40 PM
Hi Lexy, sorry to hear you've had such a bad time. Out of your 25 weeks how many did you do 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? What was the most consecutive weeks where you managed to get 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? Have you lost weight at all? What was your starting / finishing bust and underbust measurement and bra size? Let us know if the rib thing goes away. Do you have a very low BMI? Did you outgrow your 1st domes to the point where they were always too small or just that you could touch right at the end of a session? How much swelling did you get? (I remember you saying you didn't get much at the end). Sorry that all this will obviously be more help to future users than to you - hope you find something else that works instead and that you're sleeping better, take care x
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lexy
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 21 2007, 3:06 AM
first of all i'm not sure i'm not gonna try again if the bone growth stays but i will definetly change my aproach. i will have to use domes with much smaller diameter so the bone growth happens under the breast and not around. but i will get x-rays first to make sure there were no other side effects. to answer ur questions, louise:
"Out of your 25 weeks how many did you do 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? What was the most consecutive weeks where you managed to get 11+ consecutive hours every single night with no loss of suction? Have you lost weight at all? "
easyer to give you my notes:
1: 12, 16, 6, 14, 14, 15, 21,5 - 98h
2: 16, 6, 10, 22, 7, 20, 11, 9 -101h
3: 8, 3, 11, 12, 5, 18, 12, 14, 16 - 99h
4: 18, 18, 7, 9, 9, 10, 8 - 79h
5: 9, 8, 7, 14, 14, 16, 11, 17 - 95h
6: 19, 15, 8, 20, 6, 11, 13, 12 - 104h
7: 20, 10, 16, 21, 17, 28, 7 - 119h
8: 13, 17, 10, 14, 16, 16, 16 - 102h
9: 18, 6, 10, 11, 10, 14, 18, 16 - 103h
10: 18, 23, 12, 16, 21, 18, 19 - 127h
11: 7, 19, 15, 19, 18, 37 - 115h
12: 14, 12, 11, 17, 12, 16, 20 - 102h
13: 13, 4, 9, 12, 14, 8, 7 - 67h
14: 8, 30, 11, 16, 15, 17 - 97h
15: 15, 12, 20, 19, 17, 16, 13 - 112h
16: -, 14, 19, 12, 18, 15, 14 - 92h
17: 18, 16, 14, 13, 12, 14, 18 - 105h
18: 12, 14, 10, 13, 16, 12, 16 - 93h
19: 12, 22, 21, 13, 14, 28 - 110h
20: 11, 27, 17, 16, 16, 24, 21 - 132h
21: 10, 15, 10, 20, 24, 20 - 99h
22: 18, 19, 17, 18, 16, 14, 20 - 122h
23: 37, 18, 18, 15, 20, 15 - 123h
24: 20, 18, 17, 19, 14, 19, 13 - 120h
25: didn't take notes, but i did not lose any days - estimate 110h
total: 2626h
some weeks i logged many hours at once so if you see only 6 entrys it does not mean i lost a day.
lost only one night completly in week 16 but i have plenty with under 11.
"What was your starting / finishing bust and underbust measurement and bra size?"
sorry i didn't write those down. i only measured each breast individually and i was 19cm across the left and 17cm across the right. now i'm about 20.5 and 19. we'll see if that stays
"Do you have a very low BMI?"
yup, 17,6 but very happy about it. i'm skinny and i like it. wouldn't trade that for bigger boobs.
"Have you lost weight at all?"
i've been ~52kg all my post teen years but i might have lost some fat. not sure, but if i did my boobs, ribbs and face would be the first to lose it. nothing significant though, the scale doesn't show it.
"Did you outgrow your 1st domes to the point where they were always too small or just that you could touch right at the end of a session? "
I did and pretty fast. as in if i only took a 6-8 hour break i would fill them up in about 4 hours. and that happent after about 6-7 weeks. but after i got my bigger set i stopped swelling that much and i chose to let the smartbox do it's thing so i can wear the smaller ones (i simply hated the wide-large ones)
"How much swelling did you get?"
depending on the hours i would wear it, and the break between the sessions i would swell up to 24-26cm on across each breast.
Loiuse i think you started with narrow. can you tell me what ur smallest domes are and can you measure them for me? i am interested in the horizontal and vertical diameter.
Oh and i wanna sell my wide-large ones. If i will do another session i will surelly not need them since i'll probably go with narrow. If there's anyone interested i can take some pics so you can see exactly the condition they are in. i estimate i wore them about 15 times.
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: so... i stopped November 21 2007, 5:10 PM
Looking at your hours it seems to be only weeks 10,12, and 15-25 that you didn't have at least one night less thn 8.5 hours even though you wore for long hours elsewhere which may have made up for it. Were you still losing the seal over night the last 10 weeks? Difficult to relate to your measures - will have a measure of myself when the swelling's down. What bra band size do you wear? If it's 34 you may want to try narrow domes, less than 34 definitely narrow.
These are the dimensions of the narrow large:
Horizontal rigid plastic: 9.5
Vertical rigid plastic: 13.5
Depth rigid plastic: 9.5
Horizontal including silicone: 16
Vertical including silicone: 20.5
Depth including silicone: 12
Have you ever had your body fat measured? I know they say on the main forum you can't grow from herbs if your BMI is less than 19 but not sure that applies with suction, do you eat a lot of protein and a reasonable amount of fat? Roughly how many calroies are you getting per day? My BMI's 20 and I weight quite a bit less than you so guess you're really tall - not sure how other people of your build have done, I'm similar to Diana1978, pretty slim but a bit pear-shaped. Maybe you're right about smaller domes causing the boney bit to be in a different place, mine is definitely under the breast rather than separate.
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lexy
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 22 2007, 2:33 AM
thx for the dimensions.
about my hours... the first weeks i use to do separate short sesions but i still did the 10 minimum so if you see a 3-5-6 or something like that it's a short extra. i counted to have lost 8 weeks. and the last 10 weeks i didn't lose seal cause i wouldn't start the alarm. funny i would not hear the alarm going on for 1 minute but i would hear the buzzing every time. i wear a 34 bra i'm 29" underbust and now 33.5 around. i was maybe 33 when i started but i can't remember. i wear the same bra. i don't actually wear bras but...
i used to be obsesed with padded bras in highschool. then i stopped caring or better yet i realised that even small, a natural breast is much sexyer then a padded bra. anyway...about nutrition and body fat. i always ate anything i wanted . i used to eat a lot more when i lived with my parents but my weight hasn't changed. i have no ideea how many calories i eat. i consider the calory miths to be overrated. i do know a lot about nutrition but i only apply now and then when i like to think i'm eating healthy and not to lose weight, that would be crazy. my body fat is around 18% if i'm not mistaking but i don't remember exactly. under 20% for sure.
try to wait once for the swelling to go away and carefully feel ur breasts. i'm curious if i'm the only one to respond this way. funny, if i lift my boobs, the rib that is right under the lower edge of the boob is showing. if it were only under my boobs. the part that shows and i don't like is exactly the part that forms the cleaveage. not that bad anyway. i'll have to see if anybody would notice. my roomie said it's all good.
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Alcest
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 25 2007, 2:16 AM
Lexy how are they looking now? it's been about 4 days?
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: so... i stopped November 25 2007, 9:29 PM
It's difficult for me to imagine how much tissue you have overlying your ribs because most of your measurements are similar to mine but you're a lot taller so your BMI's very low - not sure if this means you actually look skinnier but the measurements you give do sound like you had a reasonable amount of breast tissue to start not like you only increased bone mass because that's all you had on your chest. I'm not sure if the ribs just below my boobs are slightly enlarged - definitely no visible change and I've lost a lot of weight so got boens sticking out of various places on my top half. I definitely have visible ribs down my cleavage area but like lines across like normal ribs then obscured by the breast and showing again at the side, this is probably just weight loss, not sure if I had this last time I was this low on weight but I do remember I was down to about 32A so at least I'm not in that position! Let us know how the boobs and ribs get on - esp as you get past 2-3 weeks. At least if you're left with a bit of extra breast tissue that's something to work on next time and I would think a second cycle would be easier in terms of adaptation and you seem to have fixed the loss of seal problem. I'm currently using BB for half hour before my Brava sessions, not the massage setting but 'suck' which seems to be the strongest. Will complete 10 weeks like this then have 2 weeks off and post progress. Think I may then do another 3-4 months Brava before the weather gets warm.
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lexy
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 25 2007, 9:58 PM
my breasts look pretty normal. front is the same. the profile gives away the swollen area above my boobs but i doubt anyone would notice. when i lift them i see my rib under the breast a lil swollen but i don't have to lift them and if i could get more swelling just there it would be great. it's been a week now. i do think my swelling in the bones went away a tiny lil bit but so did about 2-3 mm. now i can't decide between 1.5 or just 1cm growth.
to louise, i was never flat. i did have a lil boobs to start with. i was between 32B and 34A. my underbust measuring was about 28.5 and still is that means i am between 32 and 34 band. i still wear the same bra and i don't really see a diference. i can't tell if i gained any breast tissue or not.
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Louise
(no login) Re: so... i stopped November 26 2007, 6:30 AM
p.s. not sure if the bottom bit of my sternum isn't bigger but hard now rather than swollen before - have you noticed this? (Sounds like you do have some permanent gain, that gives us all hope). I think it's hard to tell with all this rib issues because I never really paid attention to tem before I started so not sure it isn't just my imagination.