[chrishoney]

Did you ever think to ask why "it is advised not to drink caffeine"? My point is that this is simply parroting a belief about coffee and caffeine that is not supported by any research. Those beliefs are simply old wives tales and myth. Try as I might, I fail to see how your arguments are based on good science or even plausible theory based on good science.

The diuretic rationale doesn't hold water (pun intended) since it is even questionable whether their is a net loss of water from drinking coffee. Remember, you are drinking flavored water (coffee) to ingest the caffeine that way. Additionally, the body does not loose water from only certain tissues, sparing others. That's not how fluid and electrolyte balance is maintained in the circulatory system and tissues. That is mediated by the kidneys utilizing a complex, systemic, hormonal feedback system. Dehydration does not begin to significantly affect basic energy metabolism until water loss becomes quite extreme. Mild diuretic effects are easily compensated for by shifting interstitial fluid throughout the entire body (not just the breasts) back into the circulatory system, and in normal life by increased thirst. Additionally, since the breasts, especially in males, make up a small percentage of the body mass, there is no way that any diuretic effect would significantly decrease breast volume unless we are talking about a life threatening loss of water, which obviously coffee does not create.

Where did you ever get the idea that caffeine speeds up the metabolism of nutrients and calories? I think I know what you mean by this, but if that were the case, there would not be an obesity problem in this country with the amount of coffee and cola consumed per capita. Caffeine and coffee does NOT have this effect. Think about this, if caffeine had such an effect on the body's overall metabolism rate, there would NOT be a multibillion dollar diet 'industry.' Many, many diet pills over the years contained caffeine but ALL failed to have any meaningful effect on weight loss. If it did have an effect, any overweight person would merely have to increase their caffeine intake. Obviously, that's not working for weight loss, so how will it hinder breast development?

For the sake of your argument, if caffeine does mysteriously "speed up the metabolism of nutrients and calories", by what metabolic pathway does this occur, and by what metabolic process or pathway does it hinder breast development?

I am interested in real research based on real science (human physiology) with repeatable results. I would even be interested in hearing plausible theories. After all, NBE is NOT supported by by conventional, medical wisdom (notice I did not say knowledge) but we all believe/hope it works based largely on our own experiences backed up by plausible theories.

I had a similar discussion with another obstreperous user of this forum whose only proof was that she "knew" cutting out caffeine in her own diet had allowed her bust to increase, and therefore that would be the case for everyone, and coffee and caffeine were bad for you because that was what she had always heard. That's not even bad science; in fact, it's not even science at all. It's just opinion and the utter fallibility of opinion in combination with the tunnel vision of our own biases in describing reality is the main reason we do research in the first place. There are just as many testimonials from others here on breastnexus and other NBE sites who state they have achieved great results while still consuming as much coffee as they desired. Which of these "others" are right, the ones you know, or the ones I know? Give me a break. There was a time when "everyone knew" the sun revolved around the earth and the earth was flat, despite good scientific theory that said otherwise.

Let's talk about the plausible mechanism of how caffeine supposedly does this. Again, all the recent research on caffeine and coffee fails to find any evidence of impaired health from either coffee or caffeine, and in fact, finds substantial health benefits from both. How can the rest of the body benefit from coffee and caffeine, but breast development is hindered? What plausible mechanism "counteracts" NBE? I'd love to hear it if there is one.