27-07-2011, 23:40
Woww Bela,
These are indeed all the tough questions that have not been answered lately. I hope Wahaika answers the endocrine ones. I'll have a go at the herbal ones now so he can add or correct later.
My mom ran her cycles with fresh herbs and veggies from the garden. There was hops, thyme, borage, asparagus, yucca, rhubarb, evening primrose, lettuce, broccoli, spinach, and much more. She told me about it. No way to raise a boy, but I still think it's a gift. You have moons, seasons, and your life cycle. Some herbs are for the moon cycle, some for seasonal changes, and some for life events.
Wahaika prefers march-september for NBE. My dad taught me to harvest asparagus between Saint Joseph (May 1st) and Saint John (summer solstice). Hops is harvested in August. So what would you use sarsasapogenin and 8-prenylnaringenin for? You're getting it
Now back to your post. I'm working with MoK217 in this post
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8294&pid=31797#pid31797
on Ginie's cycle between PM and hops+FG. Ginie recommends dr. Lee's site to find out when to use progestins, if at all. We're still figuring out days 25-5. There are good PMS and fertility herbs for these days, but nobody seems to like them around here. Look at Wahaika's graph we use in that thread. Do not use progestins from day 1 to 11. Decrease estrogens sharply two days before you ovulate, and use the lowest dose, not zero, from day 25.
Now back to your herbs:
Fenugreek stimulates secretion of insulin (waist slimming) and prolactin (swelling).
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=31217&highlight=fenugreek#pid31217
Fennel stimulates prolactin secretion (swelling) and contains phyto-progestins (stop NBE growth and mature breast shape)
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=7984&pid=31800&highlight=fennel#pid31800
Saw palmetto is a DHT blocker (stops breakouts, facial hair, male pattern baldness, body hair) It will make you feel weird and ruin your ability to cope with stress:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=31857&highlight=stress#pid31857
Dong quai: how did this find its way into NBE programs? There has been only one documented case of gynecomastia from dong quai, ever:
http://www.sma.org.sg/smj/4203/4203cr1.pdf
A medically trained herbalist with an excellent reputation, Adriane Fugh-Berman, suspects adulteration of the formula that was studied:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30086&highlight=fugh#pid30086
Dong quai even inhibits the body's own synthesis of estradiol:
http://www.cancersupportivecare.com/estrogenherb.html#discussion
Wild yam is a 16α-hydroxyestrone blocker: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30744&highlight=map#pid30744 open the link to the steroidogenesis map. 16α-hydroxyestrone is off the map at bottom right. It is one of the two metabolites of natural estrogens. Wild yam may keep your estrogens levels up, by not letting them leak away to 16α-hydroxyestrone. But it's not watertight, because your natural estrogens will still leak away to the other metabolite, 2-hydroxyestrone.
Red clover is just as much a phyto-progestin as a phyto-estrogen:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30122&highlight=clover#pid30122 open the link to cancersupportivecare.com
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8756&pid=30712&highlight=clover#pid30712 in the opening post of this thread, Rosieli describes very well what progestins do to your body's general apearance.
Now look at what is not in your herbs:
Where is the phyto-estrogen? Hops and PM are some of the very few phyto-estrogens that are not progestinic. Phyto-estrogens are what will make you grow.
I hope this is a start, and Wahaika can help with the other questions
These are indeed all the tough questions that have not been answered lately. I hope Wahaika answers the endocrine ones. I'll have a go at the herbal ones now so he can add or correct later.
My mom ran her cycles with fresh herbs and veggies from the garden. There was hops, thyme, borage, asparagus, yucca, rhubarb, evening primrose, lettuce, broccoli, spinach, and much more. She told me about it. No way to raise a boy, but I still think it's a gift. You have moons, seasons, and your life cycle. Some herbs are for the moon cycle, some for seasonal changes, and some for life events.
Wahaika prefers march-september for NBE. My dad taught me to harvest asparagus between Saint Joseph (May 1st) and Saint John (summer solstice). Hops is harvested in August. So what would you use sarsasapogenin and 8-prenylnaringenin for? You're getting it
Now back to your post. I'm working with MoK217 in this post
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8294&pid=31797#pid31797
on Ginie's cycle between PM and hops+FG. Ginie recommends dr. Lee's site to find out when to use progestins, if at all. We're still figuring out days 25-5. There are good PMS and fertility herbs for these days, but nobody seems to like them around here. Look at Wahaika's graph we use in that thread. Do not use progestins from day 1 to 11. Decrease estrogens sharply two days before you ovulate, and use the lowest dose, not zero, from day 25.
Now back to your herbs:
Fenugreek stimulates secretion of insulin (waist slimming) and prolactin (swelling).
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=31217&highlight=fenugreek#pid31217
Fennel stimulates prolactin secretion (swelling) and contains phyto-progestins (stop NBE growth and mature breast shape)
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=7984&pid=31800&highlight=fennel#pid31800
Saw palmetto is a DHT blocker (stops breakouts, facial hair, male pattern baldness, body hair) It will make you feel weird and ruin your ability to cope with stress:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=31857&highlight=stress#pid31857
Dong quai: how did this find its way into NBE programs? There has been only one documented case of gynecomastia from dong quai, ever:
http://www.sma.org.sg/smj/4203/4203cr1.pdf
A medically trained herbalist with an excellent reputation, Adriane Fugh-Berman, suspects adulteration of the formula that was studied:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30086&highlight=fugh#pid30086
Dong quai even inhibits the body's own synthesis of estradiol:
http://www.cancersupportivecare.com/estrogenherb.html#discussion
Wild yam is a 16α-hydroxyestrone blocker: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30744&highlight=map#pid30744 open the link to the steroidogenesis map. 16α-hydroxyestrone is off the map at bottom right. It is one of the two metabolites of natural estrogens. Wild yam may keep your estrogens levels up, by not letting them leak away to 16α-hydroxyestrone. But it's not watertight, because your natural estrogens will still leak away to the other metabolite, 2-hydroxyestrone.
Red clover is just as much a phyto-progestin as a phyto-estrogen:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30122&highlight=clover#pid30122 open the link to cancersupportivecare.com
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8756&pid=30712&highlight=clover#pid30712 in the opening post of this thread, Rosieli describes very well what progestins do to your body's general apearance.
Now look at what is not in your herbs:
Where is the phyto-estrogen? Hops and PM are some of the very few phyto-estrogens that are not progestinic. Phyto-estrogens are what will make you grow.
I hope this is a start, and Wahaika can help with the other questions