11-08-2011, 12:17
Hi Shortcake,
If you avoid 5-6 hours after FG, any time will do for the bcp.
I normally take Wahaika's advice for the choice between a hops and a WY program. I posted them here:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=9610&pid=34168#pid34168
Wahaika advises WY for women who were their target size during breastfeeding. It's not a phyto-estrogen, but it blocks the metabolism of estrone to 16α-hydroxyestrone. It does not block the metabolism of estrone to 2-hydroxyestrone, so the metabolism of estrogens is not totally blocked, but slowed down.
My understanding of the logic is this. You have been pregnant, have given birth, and breastfed. So you body knows how to make estrogens. You don't really need a phyto-estrogen. Just a little something to keep the estrogen level up will do. That's WY.
Hops is a phyto-estrogen and an anti-androgen. The estrogen gave you the headaches, but as you already experienced, you'll get used to it. Just don't ramp too fast. The anti-androgen is the one to watch out for. I found this good info about the disadvantages of too much anti-androgen:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=31857&highlight=dht#pid31857
Chances are you'll not be your normal self as long as you take hops. What I do is take it only 1-2 hours before bedtime, and use maca root with it. At least that brings the libido back. If you don't want the butt, take oats instead of maca. But then oats increases libido by decreasing SHBG. You'll need flax to up SHBG again, after you don't need the libido any more for the rest of the day.
An all-in-one-pill formula like WU throws this all together. You may still need some of the individual ingredients to tweak it. That is, if you want to decide for yourself how your life will look after WU.
That said, I'm a great fan of hops. I don't need to worry about breakouts, hair loss, dry skin on my legs and oily skin around my nose, facial and body hair, aggression, inappropriate sex drive, sudden urges to take up a hobby like plane spotting, and the need to make my mark on every street corner.
I once added one bottle of WY to my hops regimen, but it didn't make much of a difference. The other way round, I don't know. It may be useful to add a little hops to a WY program if you need more estrogen. You can also cycle: hops for first half, WY for second.
If you avoid 5-6 hours after FG, any time will do for the bcp.
I normally take Wahaika's advice for the choice between a hops and a WY program. I posted them here:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=9610&pid=34168#pid34168
Wahaika advises WY for women who were their target size during breastfeeding. It's not a phyto-estrogen, but it blocks the metabolism of estrone to 16α-hydroxyestrone. It does not block the metabolism of estrone to 2-hydroxyestrone, so the metabolism of estrogens is not totally blocked, but slowed down.
My understanding of the logic is this. You have been pregnant, have given birth, and breastfed. So you body knows how to make estrogens. You don't really need a phyto-estrogen. Just a little something to keep the estrogen level up will do. That's WY.
Hops is a phyto-estrogen and an anti-androgen. The estrogen gave you the headaches, but as you already experienced, you'll get used to it. Just don't ramp too fast. The anti-androgen is the one to watch out for. I found this good info about the disadvantages of too much anti-androgen:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=31857&highlight=dht#pid31857
Chances are you'll not be your normal self as long as you take hops. What I do is take it only 1-2 hours before bedtime, and use maca root with it. At least that brings the libido back. If you don't want the butt, take oats instead of maca. But then oats increases libido by decreasing SHBG. You'll need flax to up SHBG again, after you don't need the libido any more for the rest of the day.
An all-in-one-pill formula like WU throws this all together. You may still need some of the individual ingredients to tweak it. That is, if you want to decide for yourself how your life will look after WU.
That said, I'm a great fan of hops. I don't need to worry about breakouts, hair loss, dry skin on my legs and oily skin around my nose, facial and body hair, aggression, inappropriate sex drive, sudden urges to take up a hobby like plane spotting, and the need to make my mark on every street corner.
I once added one bottle of WY to my hops regimen, but it didn't make much of a difference. The other way round, I don't know. It may be useful to add a little hops to a WY program if you need more estrogen. You can also cycle: hops for first half, WY for second.