[Wahaika]

Well Carla, I am sometimes a little slow, but in your case I am going to observe that you have shown very clearly that you do not have formal training. Anyone with formal training would not deny the sun is shining while looking at it.

If there is one thing that I have learned it is to allow people to do their own research and discover the truth for themselves otherwise they, by their own choice, are left to exist in their own ignorance. I will not do your research for you. I was going to show you study after study that shows how fenugreek (highest diosgenin content) binds weakly to estrogen receptors, and how fenugreek is a well known phytoestrogen, and that the way this all works is by binding with estrogen receptors at the cellular level, which fenugreek (among many other things) does - only to have you dismiss it. By denying the obvious, you only punish yourself. By taking all of my time citing studies for you, I only punish myself.

You would do well to listen to the good women that have responded to you above. "Formal Training" could mean anything. Apparently yours is to deny the obvious. I'll take common sense over that kind of training any day.

I wish you well in your search.

Wahaika