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hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info
June 5 2007 at 11:40 AM gingerD (Login gingerD)
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Hi,
Now iv been at NBE for ages ad the herbs dont seem to be working with me.
iv been given advice from the boys page that bo may be good for me,
would just like to know a few things.
How many of u are growing at pres?
How long did it take to c growth?
shell-R u on maintenence only now?-Hows it going girl not herdfrom u in ages, r still growing etc.
Cheers guys
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jewelflora
(no login) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 5 2007, 7:26 PM
Hi there GingerD! I started bovine ovary about 3 weeks ago, and if my calculations are right I have grown an inch total so far,and it isnt luteal swelling because my period has been over for about a week or more now. I am so bad at keeping records. I do know though what my chest was measuring and what it is measuring now,....so YIPPEY looks like it is working for me! Also I had my first tingles last night before bed. I took about 1500 mg of BO yesterday. My evening dose was 500mg. Anywho that is just my 2 cents! Take Care!
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michelle
(Login chelle_choi)
SENIOR MEMBER hey gingerd! June 6 2007, 1:42 PM
Hey GingerD,
I'm still doing the bo thing. Trying to get a little more size before I quit altogether. To answer your question about results, I started seeing results after about 2 1/2 wks...that's when I also started feeling something happening and was feeling some pains, etc. I was on the bb pills for about 11 months and had 3.75 inches of growth from that, I have been on the generic bo for almost 4months total now and have had 1 inch of growth so far from that. So the generic works just as good for me.
I know NBE gets very frustrating at times...I get frustrated myself even though I've had results, so I know it's durn sure frustrating when you don't have results. But, just hang in there girl, there's got to be something that works for you. If you decide to try the BO, please let me know if you have anymore questions, I'll try my best to answer them.
Good luck hon.
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gingerD
(Login gingerD)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 6 2007, 5:01 PM
Hi michelle, glad your still having growth.
Could you give me the links for both BO products you have used please
Cheers gd
PS
Also do you think Bo can be used with say natures day, or a bit risky?
Could you just use fenugreek for example at the same time
This message has been edited by gingerD on Jun 6, 2007 5:02 PM
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Lisa
(Login lilmama40) To Michelle..... June 7 2007, 5:52 PM
I too think I'm ready to give BO a try, can you tell me if you suggest taking anything else along with it and what dosage you take? Also, is it something you start out at a lower dose with and work your way up? Herbs gave me an inch and a half of growth that I haven't lost when I stopped herbs so I believe it's permanent. I've had success with GY massages but I'm SO busy right now with a new job that's very demanding and I just don't have the time to be diligent with the massages right now. I also want to try getting growth without herbs because it seemed I was taking a large number of pills and that was a hassle. Any advice would be so appreciated!
Thanks :-)
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michelle
(Login chelle_choi)
SENIOR MEMBER bovine ovary June 7 2007, 7:01 PM
GingerD,
I see from the other post you got the link for DNE bovine ovary. That one is the cheapest you'll find. The other brand that I'm taking right now (vitamin power) is a little more expensive and plus, you have to take a lot more pills with that brand since each pill is only 150mg compared to each DNE brand pill being 500mg. Plus, the DNE is easier to swallow. But, I'll give you the link for the Vitamin power brand just in case:
http://www.botanicalbeautylab.com/bebo.html
or they also sell it on amazon.com (don't know if they ship to uk though):
http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-Power-Raw-Ovary-Tablets/dp/B000C02UMY/ref=sr_1_1/104-5598717-4433547?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1181236892&sr=1-1
To answer your question about using fenugreek with it, I wouldn't right away anyhow. It's been said or recommended not to use other phytoestrogens along with the bo for possibility of overloading your system with estrogen. BUT, I know of a couple of ladies who have added fengugreek before with the bb pills and it actually gave them a boost. I just added Hops to my routine and so far it seems to be working along with the bo. But, I do take the hops at least 3-4 hours away from the bo. To begin with initially, if I were you I would just stick to the basics and start out with the least amount of pills as possible so you won't overload things and then may never know if bo would of ever worked for you. The basics if you do try the bo are to first check your body temp a few mornings in a row (first thing before doing anything) just to get an idea of how your temp usually runs. That will tell you if you need some extra supplements to get your temp up, because in order for the bo to be 100% effective, your temp needs to stay between 98.1-98.6. If yours runs low then you can get L-tyrosine and kelp. (I take 2000mg l-tyrosine a day and 450MCG kelp a day) OR you could always just try the liquid iodine to get your temp up.
Protein shakes are also very important, but if you don't like the taste or don't want to drink those, then just make sure to get plenty of protein in your daily diet. I think there's a formula somewhere on the forum to figure out how much protein we need for NBE...hold on I'll find it...........
" work out your weight in kilos and
multiply that by 0.8 for your daily protein requirement in grams. Ideally
you should then add at least 30g extra to cover any requirement for the
growth process.
If you were to go with the DNE brand then most people start out with 1500mg a day to see if they feel any sensations, etc. You could stay on that amount for at least 2-3wks, If you don't feel anything then you could move up to 2000mg...if nothing on that dosage then up to 2500 of course. Probably any higher than that would be too high. I don't know of anyone that grew on higher than 2500mg day as of yet. The 2000mg a day is what works for me. I tried 2500mg for a few weeks, but I didn't get any growth so I think that was too high for me.
The good thing about the DNE or Vitamin power bo is you can also take them with a protein meal or snack, so it doesn't have to be an empty stomach. Sometimes when I wait too late to take my 2nd dosage and don't take it with a protein shake, I just end up taking my pills with dinner.
Once you find the right dosage for you, then stay on that dosage I would say at least a month to see what kind of growth or signs of growth that gives you. I wouldn't add other phytoestrogens or even Saw Palmetto/stinging nettle until after awhile...unless of course, you start getting acne by chance, then I would add the saw palmetto or nettle root.
You can also start out with flax seed oil, EPO or royal jelly. My pick out of those would be flax seed oil after reading where someone said that wonderup even suggests flax seed oil because it aids the body in storing fats in the breasts.
Good luck Ginger...I think I covered everything...sorry I wrote a novel.
TO LISA:
Congrats to you on growing with the herbs and the GY program! The massaging IS time consuming I tried the GY awhile back and had some good growth on top, but was shrinking some on my around bust measurement, so the time put into it was not worth losing what I had worked hard to gain before.
I think I covered everything up above to my repsonse to Ginger, but I'll sum up everythign again if it'll help:
1.make sure body temp is between 98.1-98.6 (if not can add l-tyrosine/kelp or liquid iodine or the coconut oil like someone posted on one of the recent posts)
2. STart off with 1500mg DNE bo (split however you like...1 morning, 2 afternoon or evening or vice versa)...then yeah work your way up if you don't feel anythign or see anythign happening.
Protein drinks or plenty protein in daily diet. I've always used a protein drink from walmart that tastes pretty good and it's cheap..here's what it looks like:
http://vitanetonline.com/description/U3560001/vitamins/ADVANCED-WHEY-PROTEIN-CHOC-2LB/
3. Flax seed oil, epo and royal jelly are good additions to add if you want. I take the FSO and royal jelly. I only started taking those cause in the past when I was taking bountiful breast pills they suggest to take those extras if you have a fast metabolism.
4. later you could try adding saw palmetto to give your body a boost...but it's not always needed. I took it for a long time, thinking I needed it since it did give me a boost at first. I dropped it awhile back to see if I could still grow without it and I'm still growing.
Hope this helps. Good luck ladies.
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Sheepish Sheep
(no login) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 7 2007, 7:37 PM
Adding any kind of phytoestrogens to the BO would dilute the hormones in the BO. Remember that real hormones are always stronger than phytohormones - why let a weaker substitute take up all the space on the estrogen receptors when you are taking the real deal?
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Lisa
(Login lilmama40) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 8 2007, 4:32 AM
Thanks chelle, you are awesome! This is very helpful information. I'm ordering my BO tomorrow. :-)
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gingerD
(Login gingerD)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 8 2007, 12:26 PM
Michelle thank you so much for the info, i will be buying some soon.
Glad of your explination,il let you know how i get on
Good luck and thanx again
Lisa
(Login lilmama40) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 9 2007, 5:04 PM
So would you say to start if using DNE (500mg) it would be alright to just take 1 three times a day with meals? I tend to eat a fair amount of protein but I will now be even more aware of making sure I do. I'm usually not a big breakfast fan so maybe I'll try the protein shake for breakfast too. I've got a supplement that contains flax, fish, and borage oil all in one so I will go back to taking that 3 times a day as well. My body temp is warm enough, so I'm ok in that department. I can't wait to see what happens! :-)
June 5 2007 at 11:40 AM gingerD (Login gingerD)
SENIOR MEMBER
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Hi,
Now iv been at NBE for ages ad the herbs dont seem to be working with me.
iv been given advice from the boys page that bo may be good for me,
would just like to know a few things.
How many of u are growing at pres?
How long did it take to c growth?
shell-R u on maintenence only now?-Hows it going girl not herdfrom u in ages, r still growing etc.
Cheers guys
Author Reply
jewelflora
(no login) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 5 2007, 7:26 PM
Hi there GingerD! I started bovine ovary about 3 weeks ago, and if my calculations are right I have grown an inch total so far,and it isnt luteal swelling because my period has been over for about a week or more now. I am so bad at keeping records. I do know though what my chest was measuring and what it is measuring now,....so YIPPEY looks like it is working for me! Also I had my first tingles last night before bed. I took about 1500 mg of BO yesterday. My evening dose was 500mg. Anywho that is just my 2 cents! Take Care!
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michelle
(Login chelle_choi)
SENIOR MEMBER hey gingerd! June 6 2007, 1:42 PM
Hey GingerD,
I'm still doing the bo thing. Trying to get a little more size before I quit altogether. To answer your question about results, I started seeing results after about 2 1/2 wks...that's when I also started feeling something happening and was feeling some pains, etc. I was on the bb pills for about 11 months and had 3.75 inches of growth from that, I have been on the generic bo for almost 4months total now and have had 1 inch of growth so far from that. So the generic works just as good for me.
I know NBE gets very frustrating at times...I get frustrated myself even though I've had results, so I know it's durn sure frustrating when you don't have results. But, just hang in there girl, there's got to be something that works for you. If you decide to try the BO, please let me know if you have anymore questions, I'll try my best to answer them.
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gingerD
(Login gingerD)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 6 2007, 5:01 PM
Hi michelle, glad your still having growth.
Could you give me the links for both BO products you have used please
Cheers gd
PS
Also do you think Bo can be used with say natures day, or a bit risky?
Could you just use fenugreek for example at the same time
This message has been edited by gingerD on Jun 6, 2007 5:02 PM
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Lisa
(Login lilmama40) To Michelle..... June 7 2007, 5:52 PM
I too think I'm ready to give BO a try, can you tell me if you suggest taking anything else along with it and what dosage you take? Also, is it something you start out at a lower dose with and work your way up? Herbs gave me an inch and a half of growth that I haven't lost when I stopped herbs so I believe it's permanent. I've had success with GY massages but I'm SO busy right now with a new job that's very demanding and I just don't have the time to be diligent with the massages right now. I also want to try getting growth without herbs because it seemed I was taking a large number of pills and that was a hassle. Any advice would be so appreciated!
Thanks :-)
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michelle
(Login chelle_choi)
SENIOR MEMBER bovine ovary June 7 2007, 7:01 PM
GingerD,
I see from the other post you got the link for DNE bovine ovary. That one is the cheapest you'll find. The other brand that I'm taking right now (vitamin power) is a little more expensive and plus, you have to take a lot more pills with that brand since each pill is only 150mg compared to each DNE brand pill being 500mg. Plus, the DNE is easier to swallow. But, I'll give you the link for the Vitamin power brand just in case:
http://www.botanicalbeautylab.com/bebo.html
or they also sell it on amazon.com (don't know if they ship to uk though):
http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-Power-Raw-Ovary-Tablets/dp/B000C02UMY/ref=sr_1_1/104-5598717-4433547?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1181236892&sr=1-1
To answer your question about using fenugreek with it, I wouldn't right away anyhow. It's been said or recommended not to use other phytoestrogens along with the bo for possibility of overloading your system with estrogen. BUT, I know of a couple of ladies who have added fengugreek before with the bb pills and it actually gave them a boost. I just added Hops to my routine and so far it seems to be working along with the bo. But, I do take the hops at least 3-4 hours away from the bo. To begin with initially, if I were you I would just stick to the basics and start out with the least amount of pills as possible so you won't overload things and then may never know if bo would of ever worked for you. The basics if you do try the bo are to first check your body temp a few mornings in a row (first thing before doing anything) just to get an idea of how your temp usually runs. That will tell you if you need some extra supplements to get your temp up, because in order for the bo to be 100% effective, your temp needs to stay between 98.1-98.6. If yours runs low then you can get L-tyrosine and kelp. (I take 2000mg l-tyrosine a day and 450MCG kelp a day) OR you could always just try the liquid iodine to get your temp up.
Protein shakes are also very important, but if you don't like the taste or don't want to drink those, then just make sure to get plenty of protein in your daily diet. I think there's a formula somewhere on the forum to figure out how much protein we need for NBE...hold on I'll find it.
.......... " work out your weight in kilos and
multiply that by 0.8 for your daily protein requirement in grams. Ideally
you should then add at least 30g extra to cover any requirement for the
growth process.
If you were to go with the DNE brand then most people start out with 1500mg a day to see if they feel any sensations, etc. You could stay on that amount for at least 2-3wks, If you don't feel anything then you could move up to 2000mg...if nothing on that dosage then up to 2500 of course.
Probably any higher than that would be too high. I don't know of anyone that grew on higher than 2500mg day as of yet. The 2000mg a day is what works for me. I tried 2500mg for a few weeks, but I didn't get any growth so I think that was too high for me. The good thing about the DNE or Vitamin power bo is you can also take them with a protein meal or snack, so it doesn't have to be an empty stomach. Sometimes when I wait too late to take my 2nd dosage and don't take it with a protein shake, I just end up taking my pills with dinner.
Once you find the right dosage for you, then stay on that dosage I would say at least a month to see what kind of growth or signs of growth that gives you. I wouldn't add other phytoestrogens or even Saw Palmetto/stinging nettle until after awhile...unless of course, you start getting acne by chance, then I would add the saw palmetto or nettle root.
You can also start out with flax seed oil, EPO or royal jelly. My pick out of those would be flax seed oil after reading where someone said that wonderup even suggests flax seed oil because it aids the body in storing fats in the breasts.
Good luck Ginger...I think I covered everything...sorry I wrote a novel.
TO LISA:
Congrats to you on growing with the herbs and the GY program!
The massaging IS time consuming I tried the GY awhile back and had some good growth on top, but was shrinking some on my around bust measurement, so the time put into it was not worth losing what I had worked hard to gain before. I think I covered everything up above to my repsonse to Ginger, but I'll sum up everythign again if it'll help:
1.make sure body temp is between 98.1-98.6 (if not can add l-tyrosine/kelp or liquid iodine or the coconut oil like someone posted on one of the recent posts)
2. STart off with 1500mg DNE bo (split however you like...1 morning, 2 afternoon or evening or vice versa)...then yeah work your way up if you don't feel anythign or see anythign happening.
Protein drinks or plenty protein in daily diet. I've always used a protein drink from walmart that tastes pretty good and it's cheap..here's what it looks like:
http://vitanetonline.com/description/U3560001/vitamins/ADVANCED-WHEY-PROTEIN-CHOC-2LB/
3. Flax seed oil, epo and royal jelly are good additions to add if you want. I take the FSO and royal jelly. I only started taking those cause in the past when I was taking bountiful breast pills they suggest to take those extras if you have a fast metabolism.
4. later you could try adding saw palmetto to give your body a boost...but it's not always needed. I took it for a long time, thinking I needed it since it did give me a boost at first. I dropped it awhile back to see if I could still grow without it and I'm still growing.
Hope this helps. Good luck ladies.
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Sheepish Sheep
(no login) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 7 2007, 7:37 PM
Adding any kind of phytoestrogens to the BO would dilute the hormones in the BO. Remember that real hormones are always stronger than phytohormones - why let a weaker substitute take up all the space on the estrogen receptors when you are taking the real deal?
Edit Message Delete Message
Lisa
(Login lilmama40) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 8 2007, 4:32 AM
Thanks chelle, you are awesome! This is very helpful information. I'm ordering my BO tomorrow. :-)
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gingerD
(Login gingerD)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 8 2007, 12:26 PM
Michelle thank you so much for the info, i will be buying some soon.
Glad of your explination,il let you know how i get on
Good luck and thanx again
Lisa
(Login lilmama40) Re: hello ladies may be coming ova here need some info June 9 2007, 5:04 PM
So would you say to start if using DNE (500mg) it would be alright to just take 1 three times a day with meals? I tend to eat a fair amount of protein but I will now be even more aware of making sure I do. I'm usually not a big breakfast fan so maybe I'll try the protein shake for breakfast too. I've got a supplement that contains flax, fish, and borage oil all in one so I will go back to taking that 3 times a day as well. My body temp is warm enough, so I'm ok in that department. I can't wait to see what happens! :-)