19-01-2012, 17:47
Hi lled,
First of all, yes, hops lowers libido, because it's a Central Nervous System depressant, because it's a phyto-estrogen, and because it's an anti-androgen. I balance it with maca and oats, and that works.
The obvious reason why PM would not work for you is mochaccino's observation:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41168#pid41168
The cosupplementation study she refers to is linked seven posts higher up in my program thread. The phyto-estrogens in soy, hops, and flax are not the really active ones. They have to be digested to more active phyto-estrogens. While the researchers were assigning people to test groups for a study on cosupplementation of soy, hops, and flax, they found that many people did not have the intestinal bacteria needed to digest the phyto-estrogens to really active estrogens. Moreover, they found that if you don't have the bacteria to digest hops, that doesn't mean you don't have the bacteria to digest soy or flax, and the other way round.
I tried soy, red clover, and many other isoflavone herbs before I found hops worked for me.
Unfortunately, there is no similar study for PM. But there is doubt that miroestrol is the really active phyto-estrogen in PM:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np990547v
If hops doesn't work, you can still try flax and soy. Or try them together, like in Eve M's program.
First of all, yes, hops lowers libido, because it's a Central Nervous System depressant, because it's a phyto-estrogen, and because it's an anti-androgen. I balance it with maca and oats, and that works.
The obvious reason why PM would not work for you is mochaccino's observation:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41168#pid41168
The cosupplementation study she refers to is linked seven posts higher up in my program thread. The phyto-estrogens in soy, hops, and flax are not the really active ones. They have to be digested to more active phyto-estrogens. While the researchers were assigning people to test groups for a study on cosupplementation of soy, hops, and flax, they found that many people did not have the intestinal bacteria needed to digest the phyto-estrogens to really active estrogens. Moreover, they found that if you don't have the bacteria to digest hops, that doesn't mean you don't have the bacteria to digest soy or flax, and the other way round.
I tried soy, red clover, and many other isoflavone herbs before I found hops worked for me.
Unfortunately, there is no similar study for PM. But there is doubt that miroestrol is the really active phyto-estrogen in PM:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np990547v
If hops doesn't work, you can still try flax and soy. Or try them together, like in Eve M's program.