25-03-2012, 05:34
Hello Mochaccino,
You tried the program listed on January 28th for two months and got nothing?
Try it again. Did you ramp up your dosages? What brand of herbs did you use?
From above:
>>"I want to start a new program that involves cycling bioidentical estradiol and progesterone creams. I might also include something to block shbg. "
This would be a HUGE mistake! Please don't do that.
>>"There used to be a lot of talk about how some phytoestrogens are even more estrogenic then estradiol. "
All phytoestrogens are thousands of times less potent than estradiol. I see talk where phytoestrogens are assumed to be the same as estrogen all the time. They are wrong. Phytoestrogens are not even close to the real thing. They "bind loosely" to receptor sites because the molecular structure is "close enough" to dock.
>>"...so I think it would probably be best to apply progesterone everywhere EXCEPT my breasts. Does this make sense?"
I understand the logic, but it is the wrong way to go about it and if you supplement with progesterone when there is no need to correct a problem then you will be doing a huge amount of damage to your endocrine system and it may not self correct. I have seen several cases of this. Do not do it. This is not a drill. Additionally, progesterone will bring any hope of growth to a grinding halt.
Try again. Let's keep in contact and see if there is some tweaking that will make it work. Start with Greenbush herbs if you did not before.
Wahaika
You tried the program listed on January 28th for two months and got nothing?
Try it again. Did you ramp up your dosages? What brand of herbs did you use?
From above:
>>"I want to start a new program that involves cycling bioidentical estradiol and progesterone creams. I might also include something to block shbg. "
This would be a HUGE mistake! Please don't do that.
>>"There used to be a lot of talk about how some phytoestrogens are even more estrogenic then estradiol. "
All phytoestrogens are thousands of times less potent than estradiol. I see talk where phytoestrogens are assumed to be the same as estrogen all the time. They are wrong. Phytoestrogens are not even close to the real thing. They "bind loosely" to receptor sites because the molecular structure is "close enough" to dock.
>>"...so I think it would probably be best to apply progesterone everywhere EXCEPT my breasts. Does this make sense?"
I understand the logic, but it is the wrong way to go about it and if you supplement with progesterone when there is no need to correct a problem then you will be doing a huge amount of damage to your endocrine system and it may not self correct. I have seen several cases of this. Do not do it. This is not a drill. Additionally, progesterone will bring any hope of growth to a grinding halt.
Try again. Let's keep in contact and see if there is some tweaking that will make it work. Start with Greenbush herbs if you did not before.
Wahaika