13-07-2012, 03:51
(This post was last modified: 13-07-2012, 04:17 by mochaccino.)
I feel like I've been searching around in the dark trying to figure out what changes I can make to the herbal part of my program. I'm almost completely out of my current stash of herbs and I don't think I can bring myself to buy the Greenbush kit again. It still seems possible that there's a version of the Greenbush program that would work for me, but I don't think I can keep making small variations, hoping to stumble on something that works.
I've been considering trying Chiyomilk's program since I first heard about it ages ago, but I still have a lot of questions. The vast majority of women who use only PM and cycle it, experience a roller coaster of swelling throughout their cycle but no long term growth.
Chiyomilk took B-up Drops during the second half of her cycle, but the dosage of herbs in B-up is extremely low. It may have the lowest daily dose of any BE pill I've ever seen, because not only does it contain everything but the kitchen sink (and some of the ingredients are probably useless) the packaging directs you to take only one pill a day. As far as I know, Chiyomilk followed the package directions. That makes me wonder whether the herbs were actually contributing anything to her program, but like I said, women who only use PM rarely retain any growth. I have no idea what to make of this
Ginie used Chiyomilk's program very successfully, so I've been looking through her program for ideas as well, but it's brought up even more questions.
Other things that confuse me:
1) Ginie used PC but Chiyomilk did not. Also Ginie used PC only rarely, so I don't know for sure that helped, and it may have even detracted from her program although she still grew very well.
2) Ginie used PM cream but Chiyomilk did not.This may not be important, but it would mean that Chiyomilk took a lower over all dose of PM, and dosage could be extremely important.
3) Both women took placenta. Chiyomilk used pig and Ginie used lamb. There's very little evidence either for or against placenta of any kind. As far as I know, there's no clinical studies whatsoever showing what, if anything, dried placenta does to human hormone levels (but I could be wrong). This doesn't mean that it doesn't work, only that it hasn't been tested, leaving me with almost nothing to go on. It seems possible to me, that it could have effects similar to other hormone rich organs like bovine ovary. If that's the case, then it might have had a huge impact on their programs, but I need to take a look at their doses, search for new studies, and think this through a little more. In other words, placenta could have been the key to their successfull PM programs or it could have contributed nothing at all. I'm baffled again
4) Chiyomilk seems to have massaged heavily and religiously. I'm not sure how much Ginie massaged. It's possible that the massage increased Chiyomilk's prolactin levels enough to actually make a difference in the over all scheme of things. Because PM suppresses prolactin, this part of her program may have been extremely important, then again it may have contributed nothing but firmness. It's very difficult to say. If I were to try to increase prolactin I would rather use an herb like Goat's rue rather than do constant intense massage. Then again, neither Ginie or Chiyomilk used any prolactin increasing herbs other than what's contained in B-up Drops, and the amount is vanishingly small.
Here's what I might do:
PM pills during the first half of my cycle.
PM cream either throughout the month or only during the first half. I have not decided. It's not true that PM cream does not work systemically. At least some of it must be entering the bloodstream and that is something I need to take into consideration.
PC cream during the second half of my cycle but probably only once every 3 months. Ginie took it only once every several months and she is the only person I'm aware of who grew on PC cream who did not have a hormonal disorder of some kind. I don't know if she took it for 2 weeks or only one week per cycle. Does anyone know?
Goat's rue and fenugreek during the second half of my cycle. I may also take an extremely low dose of my other Greenbush herbs just to use them up, but I'm not sure. I might skip the other Greenbush herbs and limit myself to an extremely low dose of FG, as little as 1000 mg. This would be a lot closer to what Chiyomilk and Ginie were effectively doing by taking B-up. If I take the Goat's rue, I'll buy the extract pills from Motherlove and take whatever is recommended on the bottle.
I also may or may not take placenta at all. This is by far the "if-iest" part of my program. Does anyone have any evidence that it affects hormones?
I've been considering trying Chiyomilk's program since I first heard about it ages ago, but I still have a lot of questions. The vast majority of women who use only PM and cycle it, experience a roller coaster of swelling throughout their cycle but no long term growth.
Chiyomilk took B-up Drops during the second half of her cycle, but the dosage of herbs in B-up is extremely low. It may have the lowest daily dose of any BE pill I've ever seen, because not only does it contain everything but the kitchen sink (and some of the ingredients are probably useless) the packaging directs you to take only one pill a day. As far as I know, Chiyomilk followed the package directions. That makes me wonder whether the herbs were actually contributing anything to her program, but like I said, women who only use PM rarely retain any growth. I have no idea what to make of this
Ginie used Chiyomilk's program very successfully, so I've been looking through her program for ideas as well, but it's brought up even more questions.
Other things that confuse me:
1) Ginie used PC but Chiyomilk did not. Also Ginie used PC only rarely, so I don't know for sure that helped, and it may have even detracted from her program although she still grew very well.
2) Ginie used PM cream but Chiyomilk did not.This may not be important, but it would mean that Chiyomilk took a lower over all dose of PM, and dosage could be extremely important.
3) Both women took placenta. Chiyomilk used pig and Ginie used lamb. There's very little evidence either for or against placenta of any kind. As far as I know, there's no clinical studies whatsoever showing what, if anything, dried placenta does to human hormone levels (but I could be wrong). This doesn't mean that it doesn't work, only that it hasn't been tested, leaving me with almost nothing to go on. It seems possible to me, that it could have effects similar to other hormone rich organs like bovine ovary. If that's the case, then it might have had a huge impact on their programs, but I need to take a look at their doses, search for new studies, and think this through a little more. In other words, placenta could have been the key to their successfull PM programs or it could have contributed nothing at all. I'm baffled again
4) Chiyomilk seems to have massaged heavily and religiously. I'm not sure how much Ginie massaged. It's possible that the massage increased Chiyomilk's prolactin levels enough to actually make a difference in the over all scheme of things. Because PM suppresses prolactin, this part of her program may have been extremely important, then again it may have contributed nothing but firmness. It's very difficult to say. If I were to try to increase prolactin I would rather use an herb like Goat's rue rather than do constant intense massage. Then again, neither Ginie or Chiyomilk used any prolactin increasing herbs other than what's contained in B-up Drops, and the amount is vanishingly small.
Here's what I might do:
PM pills during the first half of my cycle.
PM cream either throughout the month or only during the first half. I have not decided. It's not true that PM cream does not work systemically. At least some of it must be entering the bloodstream and that is something I need to take into consideration.
PC cream during the second half of my cycle but probably only once every 3 months. Ginie took it only once every several months and she is the only person I'm aware of who grew on PC cream who did not have a hormonal disorder of some kind. I don't know if she took it for 2 weeks or only one week per cycle. Does anyone know?
Goat's rue and fenugreek during the second half of my cycle. I may also take an extremely low dose of my other Greenbush herbs just to use them up, but I'm not sure. I might skip the other Greenbush herbs and limit myself to an extremely low dose of FG, as little as 1000 mg. This would be a lot closer to what Chiyomilk and Ginie were effectively doing by taking B-up. If I take the Goat's rue, I'll buy the extract pills from Motherlove and take whatever is recommended on the bottle.
I also may or may not take placenta at all. This is by far the "if-iest" part of my program. Does anyone have any evidence that it affects hormones?