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Ah I see! I asked because I remember you said resting a few days in the beginning of each cycle helped you grow (sorry if I've misquoted), so I thought perhaps it was the phytoestrogen in Milk Thistle what helped. But if you haven't used MT it must be that your estrogen receptors got cleared and resensitized I guess!
Last month I took a break and although I was planning to take MT I decided not to, in order to get totally clear of phytoestrogens. But perhaps the estrogenic component of MT isn't powerful enough and is swept away by its own cleansing effect¿?? I recall a thread by a user who had grown during her break while taking MT, but I can't find it now (I've activated my "investigator mode" you see lol)

I can totally relate to what you say about getting moody! During my break I was quite ok but I had a couple of very violent explosions lol, I didn't recognize myself!

Oooh and I increased my MSM dose to 3 grams too, like you recommended hehe. Still no change in my hip injury but if it does something for my boobs it'll be great I hope 4g works for you!

Lol I've noticed you're really looking into stuff lately!! To be honest, I didn't even realize Milk Thistle was a phytoestrogen at first, just knew that everyone here usually cleanses with it and I already have some in my house. ^^; Since I'm *somehow* not losing growth from my breaks even though my hormonal changes are telling me the hormones are being flushed out, maybe I will actually grow on my breaks with the Milk Thistle! That would be fantastic! Once I get off my break, too, I'm gonna switch hops for red clover again (perfect timing, I literally run out of hops today and start my cleanse tomorrow!). I think the rc will be better for my growth, and it'll be good switching off of hops for a little bit, anyway.

I'm hoping 4g works for me, but I'm skeptical. I guess I'll start on 4g once I finish my break.

I'm so glad I found these forums was getting discouraged about trying NBE since so many say it doesn't work....but not anymore! I'm in!

I started 11 days ago with fenugreek 3720mg/day and saw palmetto berries 1740mg/day, I massage morning and night with flaxseed oil and do chiyomilk massage when I remember Sad.

So far I can c a difference in shape due to massage I'm sure.
Some funny sensation in boobies, sometimes uncomfortable to lay on tummy, hopefully that means they are growing!!
I will start progesterone cream in a few days. Thanks for placing your program ladies I'm sooo glad I found you!!!

I'm so glad you changed your mind! Too many bad NBE reviews come from either people who don't stick with it or people who don't know how to properly do it. But those who are determined enough will find a way to make it happen! Welcome aboard!

You're taking a lot of Fenugreek, especially for someone just starting out. At my highest dose, I take about 3,000mgs a day. You should try to start out around 1,500 or 2,000mgs a day, then slowly ramp up, each week adding an extra pill until you feel results. You may not even feel results, but for a beginner, I'd say stay around 3,000mgs if need-be and wait a month or two on that dose to see if you should be taking more.

I've never tried the saw palmetto berries, I've always wondered how well they work compared to the saw palmetto I normally use. ^^; Sounds like you have a good plan already, and you seem to know how to start off. You should really try adding hops or red clover. You don't have a phyto-estrogen, which, even if you're estrogen dominant, might still help.

If you try hops, Isabelle always suggests using Menohops for about two weeks, then switching to hops after that, so it can be properly used by the body. Also, hops should be taken with a light meal. Taken without a meal, it will act more as an anti-androgen (like Saw Palmetto). If taken with food, it will become more of a phyto-estrogen. Red clover I believe is both a phyto-estrogen and phyto-progesterone, so you may not want to take it if you also plan on using PC.

Also, when shopping for a PC, make sure you don't use a phyto-estrogen progesterone cream, made from soy or other herbs. The body can't use it as progesterone properly, and will not give you great results at all (if any). Look for something that says USP grade progesterone in the ingredients (not from soy). This is the one my friend just started using from Vitamin Shoppe. It's too early to tell as far as real growth, but she got HUGE swelling from it the first week she used it.

Make SURE you know how to use PC. Improper use can harm your body and mess up your cycle. You use it two weeks out of the month (I think you use it the second half of your cycle, that's what she's doing). Apply it to your breasts, although mostly to the very tops of your chest and under your arms (it will get best absorbed there). Apply it there for about two or three days, and then for the next two or three days, apply it to your inner elbow or your wrist (somewhere vain-y). If you just constantly apply it to your breasts, your progesterone receptors will fill up fast and your body won't be able to absorb and use the progesterone. Not only will you not see growth, but it will be a huge waste of money. You only need about a dime-size amount, applying it once a day (always best to apply at night).

Usually, however, PC is used if other methods don't work. If you think you may be feeling some kind of growth already, don't worry about the PC and just try the herbs for about three months before adding it. Sensations could mean growth is on the horizon! Good luck, glad you're giving NBE a shot!