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Tibetan, it probably would be better to ask me that question on my program thread, but I'll give you a quick answer here. If you have any follow up questions you can ask them on my thread or by PM.

I played around with the NB on and off (mostly off), for a little while before I started taking BE seriously. I've only been taking BE seriously for about a year now. I started out by doing NB and a few non-hormonal supps like collagen and MSM from around October to December of last year. I had no intention of following that program long term. Basically I was just biding time and entertaining myself until I could figure out what kind of herbal program I wanted to follow. Eventually I settled on Wahaika's recommended program which I started in January and followed for about 6 months with no results. During that time I switched to a cycling version of his program that he recommends, but it was still essentially the same program. I took PC for 2 weeks before starting PM. After that I started out taking by taking PM in follicular and Greenbush herbs in luteal. Then I cut out the herbs and switched to just taking PM and PC. This last cycle I only took PM and didn't take any PC because I was worried that I had been taking too much. So far I don't think I've had any growth in the past year, except for maybe a smidge of growth from the NB leg of my program, and then a smidge more due to about 10 lbs of weight gain (shame on me). Originally, I thought I had a had a fairly huge amount of growth from the NB, but looking back on it I think I was just over excited, and I must have gained less than half a cup size. I don't really think that the herbs or PM contributed anything, and I can't say for sure that the "growth" from NB was permanent. I'm beginning to doubt it heavily.