02-11-2012, 05:34
(02-11-2012, 05:00)AbiDrew85 Wrote: It sounds like you're one of those "low on everything" people. IMO, try to be patient and wait until your cortisol and progesterone normalize again, and then get multiple tests done in a cycle. Try to aim for a test around days 1 or 2, around day 14, and around day 20.
If it indeed turns out that you're "low on everything" you might even be able to get prescribed real hormones from your doctor. IMO, INSIST on USP progesterone, and try to talk them into regulated use of PC. Progestins are nasty sons of bastiches that do far more harm than good. And if your doctor doesn't think so, they're either an idiot, or lying through their teeth.
If you can't get prescriptions, your options then are to attempt to self-regulate your doses with PM and PC (and if you want to try something risky, illicitly obtained estradiol valerate.)
MSM is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane
I'm not entirely clear on what the claims are for it for BE, but it is clear that if you have a sulfur deficiency, it will help that, at least. Which might help lots of strangely interconnected processes in your body which could eventually link to booby growth in some strange way.
There's a lot of strange things like that... Multi-vitamins and multi-minerals and especially iron can also be important considerations. Both too much or too little of various vitamins and minerals and enzymes and oh my can have a considerable impact on a number of bodily processes, breast development definitely being among them.
From a diet standpoint. Try to avoid starchy or high carb foods, and especially starchy high carb foods, try to aim for protein-rich food, etc. I believe someone's already talked about this.
As for the female cycle. I recently posted to my own thread about just this... http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=12888&pid=61162#pid61162
Please note that as a bio male I am naturally even lower on everything than you are, so my PC doses would probably be crazy extreme on you, and you probably don't need any or at least nearly as much estradiol as me. My chart is FOR MY NEEDS ONLY. Though if I know your hormone levels at the points I told you about earlier, I might be able to figure out decent dosing for you.
Made a typo mistake, should be like these:
estrone 4.3, normal range <16 pg/ml
estradiol 1.1, normal range 0.2-5.2 pg/ml
estriol 0.3, normal range <32.0 pg/ml
testosterone 4.6, normal range 4-33 pg/ml
DHEA 0.18, normal range 0.10-1.30 pg/ml
Melatonin 17.6, normal range 0.1-25.0 pg/ml
Below are high floods due to PC over dose
Progesterone 510, normal range 80-270 pg/ml
17-OH progesterone 89.2, normal range 15.4-60.5 pg/ml
Cortisol 9.75, normal range 1.8-3.8 pg/ml
Androstenedione 168, normal range 6-69 pg/ml
So even tho everything is low, it's all within normal range. I've talked to the doc who i called today from zion, and she told me they are not low, and as long as the progesterone and cortisol drop down i'll be fine.
or maybe she said that just to aim for a good ratio balance rather than the enough amount i need for breast growth. The thing is i don't know if docs will allow me to take hormones since the test shows normal range results.
i noticed MSM as well as i read through b00biel0ve's program, but her supplement is a still a myth to me, i don't know what's in her pills, but from her round shape i'm guessing WY if naturally made.
Through reading on these forums i've noticed on how specific and detailed you are on hormones, i would rather stay with PM and PC like you, and monitor them as i go. I know your plan was made to suit you and loads of stuff you have listed i have no idea what they do, i wish to learn rather than copy.
That cycle post was so wonderful i screenshot it

i guess dosage can be suggested accordingly but can only be finally decided through a lot of trying, since we don't share the same weight height metabolism and such. a lot of testing will be needed and yikes i need to save for that cost
