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so it's nothing to trifle with, but you trifle with it anyway.....makes sense to me

I don't know where you come off saying this. Have you read anything I've posted? Anything tibetan has posted? Anything mocha has posted? Anything Wahaika has posted? Anything Doll has posted? We all do crazy brick tons of research. We spend more hours studying just what we're doing to ourselves with these supplements than we probably do in any of our other ACTUAL hobbies. Wahaika I think is just someone who is supportive, but tibetan, mocha, and I? We're in this for serious, and we all have legitimate reasons for it. Me, I'm legitimately a transsexual. I can't afford to transition through medical aid. I'm not after just "make my tits bigger" I'm after as thorough a body transformation as I can possibly get. Tibetan and mocha are both older than 25, and both are massively underdeveloped. They too are more in this for balancing their bodies in general, overall sexual wellness, and yes, bigger busts are a big part of that. Doll has PCOS. Do you have any idea what that is? How many doctors out there completely disregard it despite it's major implications on the sufferers sexual health? How expensive that can be to control using the medical communities "standard" channels because the majority of insurances consider it a "cosmetic" treatment? No? Then back the hell off.

I'm sorry if it upsets you, but as Wahaika above me has stated, there's a difference between freedoms and rights, and, under the age of 18, minors do not yet have the RIGHTS to control over their own bodies. They can not legally assign those rights away and agree to a disclaimer. The rights lie with their parents. Who, if something bad happens, can come after Eve, and come after the members of this forum.

Even if that were not true. Young girls should very very rarely if ever need to resort to hormone manipulation of this sort. If they have an imbalance, they are at an age where they can usually correct it with much much gentler nudges. If not, they are covered under insurance. If nothing else women with children and their children are ALWAYS covered under state medical care. If they bother to seek it.

Young boys simply have no business being here unless their parents know they are here and consent and they are being monitored by AT LEAST a mental health professional. They do not yet have the RIGHT to transition. This isn't about whether it's what's right or wrong for them, this isn't about who they are or what's best for their body or ANYTHING. This is about legal responsibility. Young boys are not LEGALLY allowed to be here. Period.

I've done assloads of research too. PCOS is called polycystic ovarian syndrome and is a condition in which there are cysts (almost always benign growths) on the ovaries. this is very often paired with growths in the breasts, and these fibroids are fed by estrogen.

I DO know what I am talking about despite your assumption that I am uneducated

if you think that childeren have no rights because legally until they are eighteen they are slaves to their parents. Just because legal rights don't align with natural rights doesn't mean they don't have natural rights, it just means that an atrocity is being performed by robbing them of their basic human rights