[TibetanPrincess]

WY is what gave me my first growth spurt (pc cream). I guess some bodies can take it as diosgenin while others can't. I am just happy to be able to get an rx for the lab converted version. Now some women claim to have used it alone for their meno issues and breast growth was an unexpected side effect.

A Wild Yam PC cream isn't the same as taking regular Wild Yam. I've always heard that Wild Yam isn't converted into progesterone within the body, but I will continue to think otherwise, or else it wouldn't be used with success. However, what makes the PC creams so effective is that the Wild Yam is already converted into progesterone in a lab before it is put into a cream. So even if wild yam is successful in some programs, I think as far as its progesterone content, PC is a much more potent.
Like surferjoe2007 said:
"So wild yam is helpful. Wild yam is not progesterone and progesterone, even progesterone synthesized from wild yam, is not wild yam."

Also, I'm not sure what Wahaika bases his dislike for red clover on, but for me it has worked quite well. I've also been told that hops wouldn't work without taking menohops, and yet that has also still given me great results. There is so much to NBE that either isn't understood or is popularly misunderstood. But from what I've seen and my own experience, if it's a popular NBE herb, then it must have worked for someone somewhere down the line, and shouldn't be written-off.

When I first joined, wild yam was still somewhat popular, and by the time I'd come back from my hiatus, it had become "a waste of money". Which is why I never fully believed that it was useless in the first place. =_=

There's loads of confusion because otc PC is known as useless as its just wild yam so no progesterone, no matter what you hear, its ineffective(as per my Dr.) Now, lab created progesterone(synthetic) though its known as bio identical progesterone made from Mexican wild Yam is supposedly recognized by our bodies.

So, it seems, WY as an herb is effective, though not recognized as progesterone in the body, but when converted in a lab is recognized as some version of progesterone in the body. It seems either way you take WY, you get some kind of benefit though it is technically not real progesterone.

So what surferjoe said, its a saponin as an herb. but coverted, its a form of progesterone. I spoke with my pharmacy and they said what they do to it in the lab, converting it to progesterone is as close to bio identical you can get.