[TsubakiBlossom]

Well, neither are really an anti-androgen at all... But hops might be at least a little anti-androgenic by way of increasing aromatization of extra androgens into estrogens.

Red clover wouldn't be even that much.

For a serious anti-androgen however, unless you're allergic, look no further than spearmint. Seriously amazing stuff.

Combining spearmint and hops would be a pretty powerful duo for most genetic girls who have a bit of an androgen problem.

Personally, I'm a genetic male (at least as far as I know) and I'm using PM, PC, FG, spearmint, and chinese skullcap. My spearmint doses are a bit on the extreme side at 1600mg three times a day. You might get away with far less. I think the recommended starting dosage set by Swansons is 400mg twice a day, which is geared more towards the average needs of a genetic female.

Chinese skullcap is probably more anti-androgen than you should need... it actually helps block off basically the entire steroidal hormonal pathway - starting at testosterone. So it inevitably reduces synthesis of your own bodies natural estrogens as well. Not really something most folks should be playing with unless they KNOW they're going to be replacing what they're eliminating.

Spearmint on the other hand simply blocks the androgen receptor sites... Binds very readily to them, but is entirely inert. You can scale it basically as you need it. The more receptors you have that need blocking the more you take. A biological male who has gone through male puberty will have significantly more androgen receptors than basically ANY biological female. Thus my seemingly crazy doses.

As for what hops is, yes, it's a flower. A lot of the most useful plants for NBE seem to be flowering type plants. As for what sort of dosing for hops you might consider using... I'm not terribly familiar with hops, especially hops for a genetic female. So hopefully someone else can answer you that question.

You can tell how little I know about herbs. I'm more of a massage-hypnosis kind of gal lol.

I only ever thought there was spearmint tea, but glad to know about the supplements now.

So if I'm a female who's testosterone dominant (with little estrogen, and even less progesterone), what do you recommend I add to increase the latter? Testosterone has blessed me with a little more facial hair than I'd prefer, and a body that doesn't look as feminine as it should be. The people who say girls don't get buff when they lift heavy should take a look at me. I get buff doing even the little stuff. That why I only stick with walking, jogging, and stretching. But my lack of curve bothers me. You think balancing out my hormones would have the side effect of making my features more feminine? I'm not trying to get my hopes up, although I am curious.

Thank you so much!