[timarie]

Also, you could probably do with out the flax oil (for estrogen reasons to play it simpler). I'd go with coconut oil or avocado maybe olive oil?

thanks a lot tibetan, i'm not really sure about flax too, may be i'll try olive, but i thought if crushed flaxseed is a good addition as a weak phytoestrogen why can't i use flax oil too ? confused a little .

It is very obvious, since Tibetan, Abidrew, and I all agree (and it is common logic) that if your estrogen is very high, YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM PHYTO-ESTROGENS unless, of course, you want higher estrogen levels! I don't know why you are so insistent on wanting to take some form of estrogen.

Also, I think it is important for you to remember that you are Estrogen dominant and that is all that you know. Since you do not know what is the cause of your estrogen dominance, I think it is very unwise to jump on the first possibility that you find. Who knows, you may just simply be estrogen dominant and you should just take it for what it is, and do what you can to help yourself in the situation that you know you are in. Like, for example, I am Testosterone dominant and am just now trying to work around that. It doesn't mean that I'm sick. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty damn sure that I'm not. I think you need to worry a heck of a lot less and just know that every one is different. Tibetan made a decent point in trying to make you aware of the possibility that it could mean that there is something wrong (although I'm pretty sure when she said that, she was talking about your low Progesterone levels, not your Estrogen levels), but she did not say that there was something wrong. You are taking every worse possibility scenario, taking it as fact, and already choosing to act on it. I think that if you could follow through with those tests that Tibetan suggested you get, just to make sure there are no problems (not because there ARE necessarily problems), and deal with the situation for now for what it is, like Abidrew advised by telling you that simply raising your Progesterone would inhibit your Estrogen, you would be doing the smart thing. I DON'T think it is wise to assume that you have an ovarian cyst or tumor until you KNOW this as a fact. And, I will say again, THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS ANYMORE ESTROGEN so please, drop your strong desire to do so!!!!

But, as a side note here, the diet you posted is an overall very healthy diet, so you would benefit from that-- not because you are estrogen dominant, but because it is healthy. Period! Glad you stumbled across your source for the sake of the diet

thanks timarie,
but what brand of Spearmint and chinese skullcap are you using ?

I am not taking them yet as I have only just placed the order this week (they shipped out the other day, though!). I will be taking them as soon as they come in. I will be sure to post in my thread when they come in and start taking them. I ordered from Swanson's

1) Improve Gastrointestinal Health :
by eating adequate fiber and include lignans in the diet, including flax, leafy greens, and bran (oat, rye, barley—if you’re not gluten-free). A probiotic is essential because it will increase the “good bacteria” in the gut and support neurotransmitter function.
(anyone knows what's the probiotic ?)

Probiotics stimulate the growth of microorganisms, or "good bacteria", that they speak of, which keep a healthy balance in your gut. The most familiar/common sources of probiotics are yogurt and soft cheeses.

i searched for estrogen blocker and i found that

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-DIM-plus-120-Capsules/dp/B003DI96P6/ref=sr_1_5?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1380470180&sr=1-5&keywords=dim+200mg

it's a DIM, i'm gonna use it i think till i know what's the cause of my case.

i tried BO before but it didn't work .

but i thought that wy increase progesterone, there is even wy cream claiming to increase progesterone .

what do you think the problem that my prolactin may be causing ? i'm gonna tested anyway .

all i can do now is
pc
vitex (for progesterone production )
DIM (for estrogen blocking )
Scullcap and Spearmint (as anti androgen )
keep on whey protein
vit E
vit C

shouldn't i use fenugreek at all ? i was planning to use it in my follicular phase.

A couple things here.
I would listen to Abi about the DIM and not take it. She suggested for inhibiting your Estrogen to increase your Progesterone. Tibetan advised you against taking Vitex to raise your Progesterone levels because it also raises Prolactin which may possibly complicate things for you. It has been found that Wild Yam does not convert to Progesterone in the body:
"Although herbalists continue to use wild yam to treat menstrual cramps, nausea and morning sickness, inflammation, osteoporosis, menopausal symptoms, and other health conditions, no studies show that it works. Several studies have found that it has no effect at all. That is because the body cannot change diosgenin into progesterone; it has to be done in a lab. Wild yam, by itself, does not contain progesterone." Source: Wild yam | University of Maryland Medical Center http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/herb/wild-yam#ixzz2gcG5pjo4 . It IS a phytoestrogen though, which is why I advised you against it. Fenugreek is also an Estrogen-producing herb, which is why I advised against that. It doesn't make a difference what phase you take it in-- it's a phytoestrogen. You don't want it.

Store your PM in the fridge, or pour all your pm in jar of vodka and let it brew, shake it up every other day. By the time you are ready to take it, it will be nice and potent

Why would she ever want to take it, Tibetan??? Her body already naturally produces enough...

ok, my plan will be :

3) High-Protein, Omega-3 Fats :
i used ON whey protein and i'm gonna switch to whey power plus,
http://www.wheypowerplus.com/

Just curious, but why did you choose to switch to whey power plus? I am pretty well versed in the world of protein powders and this one has ONLY shown up to me when I viewed the Bountiful Breasts website. Please don't tell me that's why you've chosen to go with it! I have never seen it before otherwise, which does not mean it is bad, but certainly not a likely very reputable brand. I also personally don't like how they falsely claim to have "the purest and most absorbable form of whey protein in existence." Yes, they may use protein isolate, but the fact is that hydrolyzed whey is the purest and most absorbable form of whey protein in existence. This does not mean that the powder they sell will be bad, but considering all the more trust-worthy brands out there also with good powders, I would definitely prefer to go to the company that is honest. If you want to go with a whey protein isolate, every reputable protein powder company sells whey isolate. It is not a new discovery or special like whey power plus makes it sound. I also don't like how they group all other protein powders into a generic broad label as "whey protein": "Whey protein is a cheaper product containing fat and casein. Whey protein which costs less money contains whey protein not whey protein isolate." Um, whey isolate (therefore whey power plus) IS whey protein. What they MEANT to say is whey concentrate, I suppose. Why do they advertise their product like their consumer knows nothing about protein? Oh that's right, because it must not sell well by anyone other than people who, in fact, don't know anything about protein! The only way they get their name out there is to women who want to grow their boobs. ::facepalm:: Please notice that it is NOT sugar free, NOT cholesterol free, NOT fat free, despite their advertising which claims they are free of these things. Check out the nutrition facts label.

Sorry for the rant. I just hate it when companies are dishonest and treat the customer like they don't know any better! They are over advertising for a reason....