[timarie]

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@timarie

I was actually in response to:
"Use Phytoestrogens To Promote the C-2 Pathway
Include foods with phytoestrogens in your diet because they will take natural and chemical estrogens out of play in the body." (from Lora's found article)

In no way am I promoting the use of phytos from herbs or strong phytos from plants such as WY and Fenu (as stated in my post).

I knew what she was trying to accomplish in doing this, i was just addressing the use of phytos from actual foods. I wasn't disagreeing with abi. It just came across that he was completely dismissing the use of phytos period in what she is trying to do. I just wanted to let lora know it can be done, but through actual food, not the herbs we all stated are a bad idea. Hence why I said no herbs(phytos) just salt n pepper n whole fruits n veggies . Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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Now I think I see what the misunderstanding is. I was strictly addressing the phytos in whole foods in lora's findings (which Abi or you have not mentioned, and you my dear stated that Thank you) and Abi was strictly addressing/ responding to the strong phytos from plants and herbs, seeming that he dismissed the whole idea of supplemental phytos (from actual foods).

@abi, just out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean by "competing for attention?"

As long as Lora understands what the overall concensus is. And I'm sure she does

Exactly!
As for your last line, I hope so, although I sure was given a hell of a time for trying to re-iterate what was already told to her by you and Abi. Just to clarify for her what YOU both said, as she was being selective with what she wanted to hear at the time, but because I was the one who tried to make it clear-- slit my throat! X-/

i hope i could see your before picture, i wanna know was it bad and so flat like mine too ?

and yes i got the idea of the 2 theories now , and this my favorite advice you gave me that i'll do ( a high vegan raw diet for a month and then eat regular and still, little meat, no dairy,no grains ( maybe brown rice for the exception) and no herbs. Just warming, clean foods, very little raw soaked nuts, and seeds. )
thanks a lot .
but with this vegan raw diet i'll not be able to gain weight right ? as i lost 2 kg right after stopping sp .

Her "before" photo is posted only a couple pages back. Search and you'll find it. She was not entirely flat. Hers was more like mine, with a little bit of meat to work with.

If you want to gain weight it will be harder on the raw vegan diet, but since you will only be doing it for a month it should not present too much of a loss. If you absolutely want to prevent weight loss, eating the foods of the diet in large quantities (to increase your caloric input) will help you to maintain your weight (if not gain weight!) if it is greater than your caloric output. So, you should be fine if you manage to eat enough!