[lora]

Actually Abi, I believe she CAN utilize the phytos from whole foods, they are very weak compared to many of the top herbs and will bind to many of her receptors. Though no one truly knows how the body will function to handle this, not even MD's.There is a lot of theory, you will just have to try it @ Lora. It worked for me.

Now, I've done this before with my very first nbe attempt (high DHEA), though all of my hormones where out of range crazy high, my estradiol was the highest and quite dangerous. I had massive headaches and the worst bloating and cramps, I thought I could die!
I felt like my insides were being ripped out at times. I did a series of flushing colon and liver and no herbs. i then did full body chelation capsules. I ate cleaner and did 3 tblspns of coconut oil daily and filled out quite nicely with a healthy bmi (not the breasts though, sadly). I was underweight then. I did take DIM/IC3 supps.

I would def. look into supplementals to metabolize the estrogen as it sounds like you have loads free running in the blood.

Supplemental very weak phytos and metabolizers from whole foods of fruits and veggies and stay away from herbs and spices except for salt and pepper).

No grains what-so-ever. There's a PRIME reason why many high raw vegan (80/10/10) women have very light periods to non existent (not all of them are cardio or exercise fanatics). The food is cooling and can be damp to the womb, they don't eat meat or dairy (that's loaded with hormones/ hormone percursing cholesterol). The fruits and veggies are weak in progestin-like effects and phyto estrogens. So your output should come back down to normal. My only concern is why is your progesterone so low (below range right?)

So you need to just get on a high vegan raw diet for a month and then eat regular and still, little meat, no dairy,no grains ( maybe brown rice for the exception) and no herbs. Just warming, clean foods, very little raw soaked nuts, and seeds

No one was talking about extremely weak photos found in foods except for her occasional mention of flax and sesame. She takes them already without knowing. Obviously that can be no big deal. What was originally being addressed (and Tibetan you need to remember) was that she wanted to take things like FG and WY. She should not be taking ANY extra since it's low P that's the primary concern.

Sorry I just had to keep you all on track with what was the real issue at hand that Abi is also reacting to. And lora you need to realize that none of us were ever THAT concerned with your high E levels. .. rather, more concerned about your low P. understand? Tibetan is saying the same thing but appears as though she is trying to come off like she does not disagree with you. .. Everything I wrote to you in my last post in your other thread is correct and you need to STOP worrying so much about it and just try to increase your P. Take tests like Tibetan said before you assume you have any problems (remember you don't KNOW if you have any problems! But it almost seems like you WANT to have problems???) and try to increase your P like Abi said.

The only things you need to be concerned with are the low P and the high T. So keep it simple to start, with just PC and spearmint and chinese skullcap and only add more IF needed, after trying the simplest solution first for a few months. Abi seems to think if you should add ANYTHING later it'd likely be FG for prolactin.

thanks tim you make things very simple actually and i hope it will be that simple
but i think it wont be that easy, hormones system is very complicated .