[lora]

Hey Lora!

Looks like I have some catching-up to do on this thread. Bear with me!

Testosterone then is likely the cause of your acne, and any antiandrogen would do the job to help clear your skin again. Now of course for your specific case, you will not want SP, which is why the Chinese Skullcap and the Spearmint would be a great thing for you. Have you ordered them yet? Mine came in yesterday and I just started taking them today!


I want to clarify something. I am no expert on endocrinology or NBE. I never was, and never claimed to be. Hopefully I will be one day, but for now I do research and, for the things that are complicated and are possibly contrasting with a more knowledgeable member's information, I will be skeptical of the sources. In my relatively short time being involved with NBE, I have discovered that many cites and many people on this forum will quote inaccurate information. This is why you need to trust a specific few. Abi and Tibetan are the two who I go to with all of my questions. They are both very experienced (been at this for years!) and they do their own research. I mean, real research. They didn't just get lucky after taking the right stuff at a whim. The only reasons I was here on your threads was because 1) I saw how upset you were and 2) I very much respect the things that Tibetan and Abi say, never tell them that they are wrong, but I will ask them how or why something is the way they say. I was just here to re-iterate what they told you because I knew it was good for you to know what they had to say! I knew what they were saying would help you, and I wanted you to see that. So, if you disagree with any of the things suggested to you in this thread or the other threads, I suggest that you ask them why or how, instead of just telling them that they are wrong. Or, maybe you can read a little more closely what they've already written. Maybe a better understanding can come out of it!


Yeah, Abi and I are also in agreement on this one, just that Abi and I were addressing your original question about other low estrogen-producers and phtyoestrogens while Tibetan was addressing your statement about very weak phytos in food. We all agree on this, though. I hope you know this by now...?


I'm glad that you are looking for an honest company. I will tell you now, though, that although I am no expert on the endocrine system, I do know my shizzle about diet, protein, and weight lifting! So I hope that you can trust me on this one.

Optimum Nutrition is an extremely reliable company (perhaps one of the most reliable), which is why most competitive body builders choose it. These people's diets consist of a lot of protein shakes and you will never meet a person with a more strict diet than a body builder, which means that they pay attention very closely to what they put into their bodies. Given that it is a popular brand to be used by body builders, clearly shows that they are a reliable company. ON was not dishonest in the description of their products. According to what you wrote above, it sounds as though when you were looking around for protein to buy, you read the description for ON's Performance Whey Isolate ( http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/performance-whey-isolate-p-285.html ). This is the one with 100% whey isolate, and the nutrition information DOES match the description. Based on what you read off the back of your protein container when it finally arrived, you purchased the 100% Whey Gold Standard ( http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/100-whey-gold-standard-p-201.html ). This description matches the nutrition information on the back that you found to be so disappointing. It is a mixed protein blend, where whey isolate is the top ingredient-- not the ONLY ingredient. Why? Because it is a blend, and it claims to be so.

As for what is the purest protein, technically it is Hydrolyzed Whey. Why? Because it is whey isolate further broken down into even smaller proteins, making it even more bioavalable to the body. This is the hydrolyzed whey by Optimum Nutrition: http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/Platinum-Hydrowhey-p-271.html . Hydrolyzed Whey IS Whey Isolate taken another notch up, basically, so it is a form of Whey Isolate, so technically Hydrolyzed Whey is a purer form of the purest form (between concentrate and isolate), making it a MORE PURE form of Whey Isolate. I know, it's really oddly complicated I use it since it makes digestion easier, which is extremely important for me as I lift weights, but I do not think it is all the important for you. I know you might not want to hear this but, you would probably be fine with a mixed protein blend or even a concentrate. Whey Power Plus, however, does not sell hydrolyzed form of isolate and is claiming to have the most pure form of it which is not true. This means they are either trying to exaggerate to their customers to draw them in for the sake of advertising (because, although isolate is more pure than concentrate, isolate can still be further broken down to be hydrolyzed), or they are so behind on the times that they do not realize that they need to update their information! I would be hesitant to call them trustworthy if either scenario was the case, and it has to be either one or the other, so it is safe to say that I do not trust them. This is NOT to say that they are not selling a good product (I said this twice in my earlier post). I just have been saying that since there are many excellent brands of whey powders in existence, many of which I trust, I will not be going with or advising anyone to go with ones that I do not trust. It is kind of like comparing buying a knock-off "Coach" bag from an illegal street vendor, to buying a real Coach bag. One is not reputable and the other is, but it does not mean that the bag made from the unreliable-maker will be bad. It could function just as well as the Coach bag! But, it is just a gamble, that is all. I hope this makes sense. This is why I was saying that I hoped you had other reasons (other than hearing of the company through Bountiful Breasts) for choosing the product. If you know what you are talking about and have good reasons and it matches what your wants and needs are and are willing to make the gamble, then by all means, give it a shot. All I am saying is that it is a gamble.

And as far as GNC is concerned: big name, a lot of bad rep. I am not sure all of what is involved with their bad reputation, but I do know that they got a lot of bad rep for selling a product that resulted in the deaths of a few people a few years ago. I'm pretty sure it was a pre-workout shake, but cannot say if they got in trouble for any of their other products. Also, my personal experience with them was the worst (although yours may be different). GNC was the first store I went to when I first started my high protein diet about 2 years ago, and they recommended me to take this one shake (I forget what it's called now, but I can find out for you if you want) that they swore was the best of the best of their products and was great for starting out because it does not bother with upsetting any stomachs or whatnot. Anyway, just after two shakes my stomach began to stick out quite dramatically as if I had kwashiorkor. I had severe bloating, more than I have ever had in my life. I gave it a good shot, thought maybe my body was just not accustomed to it and thought I would wait and see, but it never got better. So I returned it and my stomach went back to normal when I switched to another protein powder. So, that is it for my shared experience of GNC. Not a huge fan, here! Again, they may have good products, but it is gamble in my opinion.


The only reason I brought up about Whey Power Plus's sugar, cholesterol, and fat was not because it is bad (it is actually about right and comparable to ON's Isolate Powder); rather, I brought it up because they advertise that it has no sugar, no fat, and no cholesterol when it in fact, does. They should not be advertizing false information about their nutrition information. And yes, as a matter of fact there is sugar in Whey Power Plus. There is 1.5 grams of sugar per serving. Low, and definitely good, but not "sugar free" as it boasts.

Also, that is hardly fair to break down the nutrition facts of ON's mixed protein powder (you listed the nutrition information to ON's 100% Whey Gold Standard) vs. Whey Power Plus's Isolate. What would be fair would be to compare the nutrition information of ON's Performance Isolate vs. Whey Power Plus's Isolate.

isopure protein shake .... what about it ? it's 100% isolate i think
http://www.gnc.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2108294&cp=3593187&f=PAD%2FBrands%2FISOPURE&fbc=1&lmdn=Brand&fbn=Brands%7CISOPURE

Actually, it is not just 100% Whey Isolate, but more specifically 100% Ion Exchange Whey Protein Isolate. This, like Hydrolyzed Whey, is a form of Isolate, but different in its processing and composition. To read more about the differences of the types of proteins, you can take a look at this article: http://sportsnutritioninsider.insidefitnessmag.com/3771/show-me-the-whey-concentrates-vs-isolates-vs-hydrolysates .


I think this sounds right. It will take some time to neutralize the hormones because they all effect each other. I think detoxifying would be great to help this, and once your hormones are back to the way they were before you started taking PM, start with increasing the Progesterone levels.


Interesting! This may have been very good for you...


If you are talking about what I think you are talking about, it is L-5-hydroxytryptophan. I actually used to have the same sleep problem! But now I have a different sleep problem, where I fall asleep frequently, hard, and fast. Exercise is what made the change for me. I cannot stay up late even if I wanted to, because my body forces me to shut down so that it can repair my muscles. Yes, I will fall asleep in random places without warning because of this!

Mild hyperprolactinemia[24] did you notice that tim @timarie

That is interesting. Since I will admit that I do not know that much about it myself, I would advise you to ask Tibetan about this, since it was she who said:

Vitex is questionable since its effects are complexed. It may actually help you, but if its raising your prolactin levels, it may compete with progesterone, but that's the thing, we don't know what's causing your Low P levels.

If you notice, she did say it MAY help you, but since we don't know for sure what is lowering your Progesterone levels, it is best not to take the risk of increasing your prolactin as it may potentially make it worse. This is what I understood from what she wrote. It would be safer at this point to stay away from it, just until you can get your hormones a little more balanced again.

I hope that helps!

oh tim , you did a lot of work for me thanks a lot for your time, information and every thing .
you clarified many things for me especially about protein shakes, actually i don't believe you consumed all of that time to tell me all your experience with it ,
and you know tim I'm trying to get use of every thing available, it means i'm searching a lot a trusted referenced information and when i found an information that not trusted or an opinion that I've a doubt about i make a thread here and ask about it . i don't think that i'm smart or my research is enough for me and you know something i'm a pharmacist but i didn't study from along time so i just need a refreshment information but, i know where to get the reliable information Whether from references or an informed person like tibetan, gbabe and you in protein shakes and nutrition of course
but i don't like people to just tell me i'm wrong or we did advice you with the counter once before, when i'm asking about something that is different from old information , you know theories changes over the time or maybe we think in one direction all the time and this bad we must have open minds that Accommodates for the Opposite theories even, if we want to get use of every thing rightly .

With regard to the Egyptian recipe with flaxseed oil, sadly i prefer to stay away from a little while now

about the hormone controlling my sleep cycle i think it's exactly what you mentioned

anyway thanks a lot i'll absolutely stick to ON and i did my order but i didn't receive it yet .