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oh tim , you did a lot of work for me thanks a lot for your time, information and every thing .
you clarified many things for me especially about protein shakes, actually i don't believe you consumed all of that time to tell me all your experience with it ,

It was no problem at all really, didn't take me that long to write

and you know tim I'm trying to get use of every thing available, it means i'm searching a lot a trusted referenced information and when i found an information that not trusted or an opinion that I've a doubt about i make a thread here and ask about it . i don't think that i'm smart or my research is enough for me and you know something i'm a pharmacist but i didn't study from along time so i just need a refreshment information but, i know where to get the reliable information Whether from references or an informed person like tibetan, gbabe and you in protein shakes and nutrition of course
but i don't like people to just tell me i'm wrong or we did advice you with the counter once before, when i'm asking about something that is different from old information , you know theories changes over the time or maybe we think in one direction all the time and this bad we must have open minds that Accommodates for the Opposite theories even, if we want to get use of every thing rightly .

Ah, I understand now... see, Abi means well. She wants to help, but she has absolutely NO social etiquette and comes off as rude sometimes, but she really does not mean it. And I am not sure if I am included in that but, if I am, I apologize if I came off that way as I was only trying to clarify things for you, as I have said in my most recent posts.

As for people saying that "we did advise you with that before" when you ask the same thing again but in different ways-- I completely understand your evolving knowledge changing the possibility of something working or not. I am currently doing the same with trying to find the best herb for raising prolactin for me, to go along with my BO and antiandrogens. I have been told a couple things, but need to evaluate all the information that is presented to me, so I know exactly what you mean. I am asking these more experienced people why they say what they have to say about it, and try to make the most sense of it for myself. As for the phytoestrogens, we all were on different pages with understanding where you were going with that: Tibetan saw you going away from the original estrogen increasing or phtyoestrogenic herbs and thought you were just talking about the very weak phytos in food, but I personally saw you mention the other stronger herbs again, so I thought you were hoping your new theories applied to them too. I think there was a lot of misunderstanding going on...! No one was underestimating you. Actually I was glad to see you doing your own research as you were! Just know, we were all just trying to help

anyway thanks a lot i'll absolutely stick to ON and i did my order but i didn't receive it yet .

Ok! Which protein powder by ON did you go with? Good luck with everything!