[timarie]

How much fenugreek are you taking now Timarie. I was extremely tired on fg. I would crash out at 5. Just something to look into.

This is a really good point and after your post, I looked into it. However, I was on Fenugreek before at this dosage (3.66grams/day) for a little over 2 cycles in the summer, and I did not have this fatigue problem. So, for me, it must be caused by something else, especially since the fatigue started before I started Fenugreek a week ago. Thanks a lot for helping me think it through and narrow down the possibilities!

You are absolutely right not to swing to the other side, and you need the middle line. mentioning maca was for the middle line only. I hope you will find the right approach. You are the one to find that.

Thank you, I will definitely consider it! It makes a little more sense, too, considering that now I think I know what my fatigue is being caused by... and maca would probably reverse that problem, considering what maca is known for, BUT, I am deliberately creating the problem for the purpose of growing boobs. So I might just have to try to tough this one out OR if it doesn't get any better (if my body never gets somewhat acclimated to it), then I will lighten up my dosage of antiandrogens.



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So, here it is, to what a few days of thinking and brainstorming with knowledgeable friends has gotten me:

I am very convinced that my most recent fatigue that I have been experiencing at extreme degrees in the past 3 weeks is my body experiencing lower testosterone levels from my antiandrogens.

>I don't know how you women do it!!!<

...that is, go about your days with normal (or at least lower) testosterone than I naturally have! Just dropping my T levels a bit with these moderate amounts of antiandrogens is enough to knock me out for the entire day (save the time I spend at work awake)! I guess it was my natural high T levels that used to keep me awake at night, but man, is there a happy medium?

My solution to this for now, before going and lowering and dosages in my NBE program, is that I am going to fight against the sleep when it is not the appropriate time to sleep, and I will force myself over to the gym (which I haven't done any upper body in more than 2 weeks ) which should increase my energy levels a bit as I naturally raise my testosterone levels a little. I also took a week off for my lower body since I was struggling so much, and I figured it would be a good time to take a break since I have been working out in this routine for 9 weeks. I'll take one week off, and then go back to the same routine with increased weight and then maybe in another 6-9 weeks I will change the exercises in my routine. These are all tactics to avoid muscle memory and it's ability to keep my muscles from having as good of a workout.

I expect that my body will eventually get acclimated to the lower T levels and that I should be feeling less sleepy throughout the day and, if I don't after 3 months at my current dosage, then I will decrease the amount of antiandrogens that I take and see how that helps. But for now I am going to tough it out, fight to stay awake during hours in which I should be awake, and force myself back to the gym. Easier said than done, but I really need to try or my situation will just get worse and worse...