07-11-2013, 07:06
(This post was last modified: 07-11-2013, 07:30 by LookingForward2NBE.)
Due to length of last post, I won't copy and past an followup in 2 sections of this reply.
On Topic - GH
Beneficial but how to increase it in a meaningful and useful way is unknown unless you do so with injections of GH. Honestly the holy grail for natural inbody stimulation as the loss of gh is directly associated with aging.
I think we can both agree, exercise GH release is very unlikely if at all to provide any meaningful NBE - especially since it requires intense exercise, that most people fail to achieve and if you are doing so daily, you'll be hurting your chances for NBE.
6g-day of L-arginine I have seen data that it does boost GH. That said, its not so innocent as its traditionally used as a vasodilator, has effect on blood pressure etc.
GABA does as well but need to do so at high doses. The safety risk then comes into play of taking large doses of GABA for prolonged periods of time ie months to years.
Off-topic
Centarians and 90+ are active... Most elders I know (I personal know and interact with a women who is 105) and know many in north America, Europe and India (hat are over 90. The common thread between them:
Eat light (low calorie, nutrient dense, clean unprocessed)
Active.. Early in life worked hard (farm hand, constructionn walked tonnes) by once hit middle age all jkust walked and stay mobile. So for 1\2 their life were basically couch potatoes who made sure to get out and walk a bit, buy groceries etc. None were of any athletic mindset.
Low stress
Strong social bonds and interactions
++++ exercise
Yes I agree there is now a movement and awareness that traditional training isn't healthy or even the best option. That more traditional yoga, tai chi, running are more effective. You're a minority that understands exercise and how certain forms of exercise have differing implications. You should in my opinion offer advise assuming others are... Because 90% or more of north American are clueless. They still think life a free weight or doing elliptical in a gym will give weight loss and health changing results..
++++ caloric intake *sigh*
As a direct result of lack of people being active as a result of TV, internet, cars: we simply do not need the calories as indicated for active individuals. Couple that with peoples having become accustomed to massive stomach distension as a result.. People FEEL they are hungry when there not. So yes, 1\3 to 1\2 for average person is absolutely appropriate. Considering they are typically eating 3000+ calories and 50% liquid unfibered artifically sweetened. A typical person could not put a meal together that was 1500 per day! They might for 1 single meal! Add in transfats, artifical sweetners, preservatives, substances like pink slime in the USA, hormone injections, cmo feed animals, gmo human food which all make you put on weight.
++++ pre- post
If you are only going to do one. Pre is absolutely more essential. That said, there is real value in post nutrition but consists of very different intake requirements.
++++ growth and children
Much of that has to with DNA (can provide with scientific evidence of growth stop signalling if needed of long bones etc) and stem cells. Once your DNA determines you've reach your potential, its nearly impossible to restart it. women's breast can be naturally enhanced due to the natural constant state of flux as a organ (within each menstrual cycle), a milk gland stimulation in pregnancy and milk let down during breastfeeding. So its natural to grow later in life past puberty..hence NBE is effective. Your pushing along an already natural bodily fuction. The only option men have is stretching and hold techniques because its not an organ that needs to flucuate through a lifetime. As such, very risk of damage and loss of function can happen for trying to npe.
++++ whey milk
Absolutely whey IS NOT milk. Milk is a whole food (even though we destroy it due to laziness in finding a raw milk solution; we split an atom but can ship raw milk).. whey is a manipulated component of milk. There are so few companies selling 90+ cfm whey with no crap in it that most of all protein powders on the market are crap, not even suitable for pets. I known of one supplier that started selling ultra pure whey that was 97%.. And some manufactures bought into it Lol. In speaking with the lead scientist.. They did so by a new filtering techique that strip so much out that they had to add amino's back - the aminos they added back are poorly bioavailable. So you way better of with 90% version. But the 97% saved manufactures money on a per gram of protein basis..so guess what they use...when you do a protein test by kf: it just shows a nitrogen so u get the protein only not structure or amino structure.
Actually, protein isn't key. Its anti-oxidants, fats, fiber, sugars then protein. And when it comes to protein, its important to vary it up. Vegatative proteins are significantly healthier then animal and animal byproduct protein - with exception of eggs. Whey is simply the most marketed cause it was most available one and had the high anabolic score. Milk suupliers finally had an outlet for their waste product. That said, others were pretty close and in real world application equal.
++++ athletes and cleaning eating
1. Yes I do but no point here. I can tell you I worked with the #1 supplement sports marketer in the world, worked with several industry people in research.
2. Know Mr. Philips if that means anything to you.
3. Was asked by the Miami dolphin (yes) to analyze blood results vs nutrition programs to maximize athlete performance.
4. There is a performance school for athletes that make the draft but underperform at training camps and consulted on how to get them to quickly get up to expectations based on analyzing a number of different biomarkers.
5. NPC
Anyone who wants to be superfit, no brain fog and perform at their highest level shouldn't consume whey.. Unless they are buying from one the top 3 producers (not marketers) in 25kg brown bags ... Even then I highly question as to why. Bodybuilding is a different subset, and may.. Just maybe worth it to them as they put on unnatural physiques and a lot of the steriods requires constant food intake to keep up with the physiological influence they cause. So for them and only them.. Sure. Most of physiques are a result of massive steroid loads and huge caloric intake then whey.. I've met the last 3 Mr. Olympians, didn't see who won this year mind you but since I'm about to go on mat leave, doesn't really matter to me.
++++ creatine
Have to admit you kind of surprised me with lack of knowledge and stereotyping of it but since you don't use I can see how. That stereotype is of the 80's and 90's. That's not what it does ... Yawn. I'm also surprised you do not use it, you should. Very quickly. Its an energy source. It helps turn burned out ADP molecules into ATP as you workout and does so instantiously. So it gives your muscles massive energy stores for longer duration training both for slow twitch and fast twitch fibers and explosive power gains. It does retain water transiantly in your muscle fibers, buts also a good thing, the added mass allows you to lift more, thereby increasing the effectiveness of your workout. Then you excrete the excess fluid which is minimal but you still benefit in the end. Net positive. Its the single most researched ingredient in sports nutrition.
On Topic - GH
Beneficial but how to increase it in a meaningful and useful way is unknown unless you do so with injections of GH. Honestly the holy grail for natural inbody stimulation as the loss of gh is directly associated with aging.
I think we can both agree, exercise GH release is very unlikely if at all to provide any meaningful NBE - especially since it requires intense exercise, that most people fail to achieve and if you are doing so daily, you'll be hurting your chances for NBE.
6g-day of L-arginine I have seen data that it does boost GH. That said, its not so innocent as its traditionally used as a vasodilator, has effect on blood pressure etc.
GABA does as well but need to do so at high doses. The safety risk then comes into play of taking large doses of GABA for prolonged periods of time ie months to years.
Off-topic
Centarians and 90+ are active... Most elders I know (I personal know and interact with a women who is 105) and know many in north America, Europe and India (hat are over 90. The common thread between them:
Eat light (low calorie, nutrient dense, clean unprocessed)
Active.. Early in life worked hard (farm hand, constructionn walked tonnes) by once hit middle age all jkust walked and stay mobile. So for 1\2 their life were basically couch potatoes who made sure to get out and walk a bit, buy groceries etc. None were of any athletic mindset.
Low stress
Strong social bonds and interactions
++++ exercise
Yes I agree there is now a movement and awareness that traditional training isn't healthy or even the best option. That more traditional yoga, tai chi, running are more effective. You're a minority that understands exercise and how certain forms of exercise have differing implications. You should in my opinion offer advise assuming others are... Because 90% or more of north American are clueless. They still think life a free weight or doing elliptical in a gym will give weight loss and health changing results..
++++ caloric intake *sigh*
As a direct result of lack of people being active as a result of TV, internet, cars: we simply do not need the calories as indicated for active individuals. Couple that with peoples having become accustomed to massive stomach distension as a result.. People FEEL they are hungry when there not. So yes, 1\3 to 1\2 for average person is absolutely appropriate. Considering they are typically eating 3000+ calories and 50% liquid unfibered artifically sweetened. A typical person could not put a meal together that was 1500 per day! They might for 1 single meal! Add in transfats, artifical sweetners, preservatives, substances like pink slime in the USA, hormone injections, cmo feed animals, gmo human food which all make you put on weight.
++++ pre- post
If you are only going to do one. Pre is absolutely more essential. That said, there is real value in post nutrition but consists of very different intake requirements.
++++ growth and children
Much of that has to with DNA (can provide with scientific evidence of growth stop signalling if needed of long bones etc) and stem cells. Once your DNA determines you've reach your potential, its nearly impossible to restart it. women's breast can be naturally enhanced due to the natural constant state of flux as a organ (within each menstrual cycle), a milk gland stimulation in pregnancy and milk let down during breastfeeding. So its natural to grow later in life past puberty..hence NBE is effective. Your pushing along an already natural bodily fuction. The only option men have is stretching and hold techniques because its not an organ that needs to flucuate through a lifetime. As such, very risk of damage and loss of function can happen for trying to npe.
++++ whey milk
Absolutely whey IS NOT milk. Milk is a whole food (even though we destroy it due to laziness in finding a raw milk solution; we split an atom but can ship raw milk).. whey is a manipulated component of milk. There are so few companies selling 90+ cfm whey with no crap in it that most of all protein powders on the market are crap, not even suitable for pets. I known of one supplier that started selling ultra pure whey that was 97%.. And some manufactures bought into it Lol. In speaking with the lead scientist.. They did so by a new filtering techique that strip so much out that they had to add amino's back - the aminos they added back are poorly bioavailable. So you way better of with 90% version. But the 97% saved manufactures money on a per gram of protein basis..so guess what they use...when you do a protein test by kf: it just shows a nitrogen so u get the protein only not structure or amino structure.
Actually, protein isn't key. Its anti-oxidants, fats, fiber, sugars then protein. And when it comes to protein, its important to vary it up. Vegatative proteins are significantly healthier then animal and animal byproduct protein - with exception of eggs. Whey is simply the most marketed cause it was most available one and had the high anabolic score. Milk suupliers finally had an outlet for their waste product. That said, others were pretty close and in real world application equal.
++++ athletes and cleaning eating
1. Yes I do but no point here. I can tell you I worked with the #1 supplement sports marketer in the world, worked with several industry people in research.
2. Know Mr. Philips if that means anything to you.
3. Was asked by the Miami dolphin (yes) to analyze blood results vs nutrition programs to maximize athlete performance.
4. There is a performance school for athletes that make the draft but underperform at training camps and consulted on how to get them to quickly get up to expectations based on analyzing a number of different biomarkers.
5. NPC
Anyone who wants to be superfit, no brain fog and perform at their highest level shouldn't consume whey.. Unless they are buying from one the top 3 producers (not marketers) in 25kg brown bags ... Even then I highly question as to why. Bodybuilding is a different subset, and may.. Just maybe worth it to them as they put on unnatural physiques and a lot of the steriods requires constant food intake to keep up with the physiological influence they cause. So for them and only them.. Sure. Most of physiques are a result of massive steroid loads and huge caloric intake then whey.. I've met the last 3 Mr. Olympians, didn't see who won this year mind you but since I'm about to go on mat leave, doesn't really matter to me.
++++ creatine
Have to admit you kind of surprised me with lack of knowledge and stereotyping of it but since you don't use I can see how. That stereotype is of the 80's and 90's. That's not what it does ... Yawn. I'm also surprised you do not use it, you should. Very quickly. Its an energy source. It helps turn burned out ADP molecules into ATP as you workout and does so instantiously. So it gives your muscles massive energy stores for longer duration training both for slow twitch and fast twitch fibers and explosive power gains. It does retain water transiantly in your muscle fibers, buts also a good thing, the added mass allows you to lift more, thereby increasing the effectiveness of your workout. Then you excrete the excess fluid which is minimal but you still benefit in the end. Net positive. Its the single most researched ingredient in sports nutrition.