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I'm only going to address the gh points cause I don't want this thread locked for out of topic discussions. If you want to start a new thread Abi about the other points you raised, go ahead but I can tell you are simply off base on so many points.

1. GH is important IMO and you say it isn't because "your hgh was probably not great"... So its a feeling.. (insert eye roll)

So GH doesn't do anything, yet I know 1st hand the effects of hyperactive pituatary function due to a tumor that caused excess hGH release later in life and the side effects were obvious that gh can exert effects at any point in your life (saw 1st hand: organ growth, bone lengthening and thickening etc).

I also many casual bodybuilders who use the synthetic form recreationally and have seen things like hands grow in just 3 months such that there wedding band no longer fits, increased shoe size, scalp doming due to fused plates..

Its use is typical in the sports word to help heal ligaments (due to poor profusion which leads to long healing times)..

So yeah, up'ing gh has nothing to due with growth. Your opinion holds no validity with real-life application of clinical proven outcomes. Hell, you don't even know if you were low or not.


2. My comment does say that the "loss of gh is directly associated with aging"...

So how did I get "bass-ackwards."

3. Melatonin - keep believing what you choose to but the health community is finally waking up (pun intended) to the health consequences of taking melatonin period. Its only safe for use to reset your circadian clock over a couple days. Any longer and you risk a drop in key hormones. I have a study showing in just a single dose how it negatively feedbacks the testosterone signalling pathway but can not share it as I have signed a nondisclosure agreement in 2005 regarding the work I did on it (even though its in the public domain). If you have any skills in regarding graphs, you'll see it. I'm not the only one saying it, the evils of melatonin and being touted by many Dr.s lately. Melatonin could be beneficial but in no way as it has been promoted and at the doses typically sold as a sleep aid.

4. 6-12months should be enough time to see if your responder and willing to stay committed to doing it. If your getting results, you gonna keep up with whatever you are doing and IMO if that very little intense exercise .. Even if it extends to 3+ years so be it. I see no harm in that what so ever.

5. L-arginine and gaba: for someone who comes off as strongly as you: you're clueless if you actually believe the dribble about "only makes sense if your not getting enough and then only enough to balance"

That might be the less educated thing I've read in a long time. You supplement based on what physiological outcome you want. Certain products can produce unexpected and potentially beneficial results at way more then standard physiological balanced norms (Ascorbic acid is probably the best and well known, L-arginine is a classic as is creatine and the list is vast)

Aging.
Yes I kept it brief but its telomere shortening that leads to aging as well specific DNA genes that active based on certain physiological milestones being achieved. Antioxidants and GH work to extend life because they prevent organ damage that signals our DNA to start literally dieing (shortening)

Nothing to do with stem cells. We have a vast repository and that goes with you well into old age and death.

Being healthy is more about
1. What you consume as food or beverages.
2. What you on your skin (soaps, shampoos, lotions, makeup)
3. Living as low a stressful life as possible
4. Staying active (walking stairs vs taking an elevator 2 floors, parking far away at a mall vs. The closest spot possible etc) and mentally stimulated
5. Strong bonds with people who are positive and not negative (once again to keep cortisol low).
6. Eating light - never to fullness but even that is a misnomer since as a society we abuse how much is deemed a portion so eating light for many is still too much.

What isn't going to make you healthy: vigorous exercise if you have all the above in the wrong direction.

Go put in a 45min vigourous workout then eat gmo foods, pink slime hamburger, hormone injected beef, sterile sugar imbalance dairy milk, high fructose corn syrup artificially sweetend diet soda and whole wjeat bagel the size of the sears tower. All the while snacking on pesticide laden grapes thinking that makes it all better cause you a few dirty grapes and worked for 45mins.

Give me 20years and we will see who is the higher functioning individual and in better health... Doubt it will be the person who exercised 4hrs a week at 80% of the mhr.

Wrt to exercise, catabolism any further should be discussed in its own thread and this orginal poster posting IMO. Even though I went long here.

And No I'm not a Vegan. As for whey.. Why.. Cause the way 90% of the industry makes their "shake formulas" is harmful and people substitute what should be a lean protein for overprocessed junk. Most formulas are made with what is called whey protein concentrate 34% as the primary ingredient and maltodextrin (which is IMO right up there HFCS). Its a product that has no purpose...you can easily get your needs from real whole foods and cheaper! And no you do not. That's another fallacy perpetuated by publications and paid for research industry professionals that are designed for a specific outcome. Howver, if your the 1% of performers that really benefit... So be it. But that's far and few in between.. Let me guess you take those beautifully designed humidors of disgustingness that are called protein or health bars.

But its also because we as a culture need to stop drinking milk in its current form which a huge leading cause of obesity, heart disease, allergies, ibs etc. We human naturally lose lactase after chikdhood because physiologically we don't need it and yet the "milk does a body good" maintains its foot hold.