08-11-2013, 17:31
(08-11-2013, 15:28)AbiDrew85 Wrote: Yes... Your salmon DOES have to be wild. But who DOESN'T know that? But if you get wild caught salmon twice a week your EPA and DHA levels will be more than satisfied and perfectly balanced. It's the ONLY kind of fish with levels that high and in such perfect balance. Even once a week ought to do it for most women, who tend to weigh less than 150 pounds. Men who weigh less than that also should only need to eat a single small serving of salmon once a week. Only people who weigh more should eat a small serving of salmon twice a week.
Also, NO! Cold pressed aka filtered is the best! Molecularly distilled is only better if you're dealing with a bad source to begin with, and then ONLY if they don't put things back in with synthetics that they stripped away, which too many of them do. Like the Solgar.
Carlson's uses yet another process that's even better on their not-the-best source fish. This process eliminates all the toxins in the first step, pulling out a lot of the other vitamins and minerals, and then in the second step they separate the vitamins from the minerals, and then they put the NATURAL vitamins back in - WIN! Some of the vitamin D is destroyed in this process, so it still ends up with a roughly 10:1 ratio, but they put a natural variation disclaimer on the label, and the epa and dha numbers are also accurate with said disclaimer.
Sardine and mackerel based formula's are generally balanced, but they're piss poor sources in comparison.
As for capsule vs straight oil. I do agree. But MOST people who can't stomach fish, can't stomach straight fish oil, and even those who can just barely manage the more refined oils can't stomach the fermented cod liver. That stuff is ridiculously fishy.
Also. Green Pasture's capsules are cold process, non-gelatin capsules. They aren't harming the product any, but they do slow down absorption, like anything with capsules will. Their capsules are made using a cold process using beeswax and plant cellulose. They're the best most vegan friendly and least harmful type of capsules modern technology has come up with. Look it up. They also disintegrate in the stomach more quickly than any other type of capsule.
As for all your ALA stuff... The simple fact is we don't need to supplement ALA. Trying to supplement ALA is vegan only. And as I mentioned, it does a very very poor job of converting down to epa and dha. Most women are lucky if they convert 3% of it. Men if they convert 1%. And that's of the part we absorb. ALA is best absorbed in whole unrefined forms, and good luck eating enough of it.
The OP was asking about supplements not WHOLE food so your point about 2x a meaningless. And as for whole doesn't know... Easily 50% of the population.
Your insane if you believe cold pressed is best because of ensuring good sources. Technically, all fish now are contaminated.. how much is the question. Thr fish that oil manufactures use is material rejected for whole food consumption and borderline fit for human consumption but not bad enough for pet foods. So taking to consideration everyone needs to be careful on how they are consuming of oily fish (exactly why you say 2x a week) is for that reason. So MD is still the best and safest approach to fish oils. Period.
Especially if fish oil is the only source fish in your diet and you choose to do so over a long period of time! As for the proprietary method... Yeah everyone with their own inhouse method says that... Hardly makes it fact (eye roll).
Vitamin D (Eye roll) - go outside and open your unshaded eyes for 15mins. Get a blood test if your concerned and then supplement according. Hardly any reason to consider fish oil as a source of vitamin d. That's complicating an issue for no reason.
Capsules slowing digestion.. By how much - you probably haven't a clue??? I personally did a study comparing the dissolution rate of tablets, to 2 piece gelatin capsules, to 2 hpmc capsules to Softgel capsules using USP methods at a FDA registered facility. I wrote the protocol, design and analyzed the data. Wanna know what... At 80% dissolution, the difference between all of then was less then 5mins! Once any capsule achieved a break point (did not require for dissolved state) all the content began fast evacuation. The study was done to create a marketing claim. That's hardly a reason for any real world consideration of faster or slower absorption.
If you believe farm raised gmo feed salmon oil is better then wild caught sardine or mackeral then so be it. Its up to individuals to make informed decisions based on data given to them and their own research. Even then even wild caught its nearly the same but for me. I'll take a sardine meal anyday since you can eat the bones for additional benefits.
I have no problem with green pastures. I use their butter oil. That said, I still maintain that the liquid form is the ideal one and that the encapsulated version is more like to go off quicker.
As for ALA - there is nothing wrong with it and has many benefits. Making such bold statements when there is a lot of research abouts its benefits is silly. not the ideal souce for omegas yes, but still has useful benefits.