[lostacres6]

Hi Isabelle,
Another dumb question: You said valerian has lignans - what exactly are the benefits of them? I'm taking flaxseed & one brand has lignans & one brand doesn't. I know you wrote about lignans somewhere in your thread but couldn't find the specific post explaining what is does. Sorry to bother you. And thanks.

[karen]

I use Pansy Mae's Law to find the right hops dose. When I take too little, I feel like cross dressing and shemale porn. When I take too much, I want to call it quits and try to be a guy again.

I'm going to go back over my journal .... I know this sounds crazy, but if my memory serves me I have had the highest sex drive and cravings, interest in she-male porn and cross dressing on days, based on what I have taken, I should have had the highest levels of estrogen ... kinda working backwards UNLESS Hops has very little effect on me and when I use more Testim my DHT goes through the roof ... and it's just my Kinky side coming out .... ... and the feelings pass if I relieve myself.

karen

[Isabelle]

Hi Pansy Mae,

I never really checked. I have two blood pressure meters here, maybe I should take fenugreek and measure my blood pressure every half hour. About libido, I never noticed, but I take hops not too long after fenugreek.

Hi lostacres6,

I wrote about flax lignans here:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41154#pid41154

And Karen,

It's possible that more DHT leaks through if you take more testim. If hops would only have to block one enzyme, in theory, how much testim you take shouldn't matter. But the article I linked here
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=43621#pid43621
says it's not that simple.

[karen]

It's possible that more DHT leaks through if you take more testim. If hops would only have to block one enzyme, in theory, how much testim you take shouldn't matter.

I'm gonna get these questions answered once and for all ....

In the AM, on an empty stomach, I am going to take 8,000 mg of Liquid Hops Extract in WATER at the same time that I apply my 1 1/2 tubes of Testim (I've been doing this)

Right after dinner I am going to take 8,000 mg of Liquid Hops Extract mixed with Yogurt. (Been doing this too)

Only thing I have been doing which I will stop is having a mug of Spearmint or Licorice Tea during the day ...

I will take nothing else

And I'm going to do that for 2 weeks ... then I am going to get a blood test. I'm going to tell my Dr that I have been taking SP twice daily in case the numbers are way out of line.

karen

[jesse191]

Thank you GorgeousBlonde

And welcome jesse191,

At normal NBE doses, there will be no effect. Even if there is one at high doses, it will be reversible.

I'm not a fan of red clover. The publication you linked says it's 50/50 phyto-estrogens/phyto-progestins. The progestins are not useful for a male starting NBE. They also limit the dose of estrogens you can take without stopping your growth.

All herbs in that study were tested at 2,000 mg. So at that dose, it's effective. You have to compare your body weight to the average body weight of the test subjects in the study. If you weigh more, you need more.

Red clover is one of the expensive herbs. The capsules are only 375 mg, which means you need at least five. A bottle of 100 will last 20 days at best. At $ 6.29, that's $ 10 a month. I take eight herbs and a multivitamin, and the whole program costs € 20 a month, that's $ 30.

Hi Isabelle,

Hope you are doing well, and thanks for your advice.

I am currently 1 week into NBE, and I've used red clover pill (Promensil) which contains 40mg standardised isoflavone, equivalent to 2.5g dry herbs. Due to I'm new, I've taken half the pill per day to monitor any side effect, and I'm upping it to 1 full pill a day from today onwards

However, my B-U actually went down from 10cm to 8cm, not sure if its the red clover side effect or is it my cardio exercise (I lost 3kg last week).

I also plan to start taking fenugreek (from gnc, which contains 610mg of seed powder each pill) and soymilk drink, but not sure when should I start taking these and how much should I take.

Been spending most of my time reading this thread, have to say i'm darn lucky to have found this

[rebel.diva69]

Hello isabelle, pls I need ur help. I'm quite new to nbe and I recently started takin fenugreek 1000mg saw palmetto 500mg and wild yam 500mg daily. Plannin 2 ramp up...My question is can I use pm cream for external massage? Bcos I hav siriporn ro bust cream or will it interfere wit my herbs? Thanks

[JustintoMe]

Isabelle,

After reading one of your posts on the last page, I have some questions about breastgro (the hops product you started with).

-Did you grow from BreastGro?
-Can BreastGro be used with other herbs (i.e. red clover, fenugreek, wild yam and saw palmetto)?
-Did you have any unusual side effects?
-How long did you take it before you had signs of growth and actual growth?
-Do you think that BreastGro is worth the money?

[Sophia2012]

Update:

Oh dear, just when I thought my routine is working....something happened after I added the 3 oils...I am not sure why

I have mentioned in my earlier posts that the basic nbe herbs FG, Red clover, agnus castus, Saw Palm is working for me...I say they're working because I can feel growing pains, swelling, etc...from time to time.

For the month of July, I have added the 3 oils...first is EPO (its also good for pcos) and swelling is still happening...

I added Fish Oil on the 3rd week and until now Im still taking it....This first week of August, I added Flaxseed oil...I have noticed that for the past 5 days I dont feel anything on my boobies...they somehow shrinked...but the thing that Im bothered about is the "not even a little swelling or growing pain" feeling...

I am aware about the Fish Oil thread here discussing the increase of free testosterone but I still give it a try.
Also, I had two big acnes on my face now

I decided I will stick to my old "working" nbe program
Red Clover is still out of stock so I replaced it with Licorice Root. I remember Isabelle recommending Dandelion Root, but couldnt find that one on my place.

For now I will have to stop taking the Fish Oil...whew nice try

[Lenneth]

Today is tape day. Weight is steady at 84.5 kg, but yesterday, it was still 82.5 kg. The week-ends with the kids are not the best moments for my diet. Body Mass Index (BMI) is still 26.5, which is overweight (25
My breast still measures 116 cm, or 46 ". Band size is as always, at 90 cm, or 35 ". I'm a US 40 E (or F), or in EU sizes, 90 G/H, just on the edge.

Waist to Hip Ratio (WHR) is the same at 0.82, but without rounding, it's actually down to 0.816, because my butt has increased from 102 to 103 cm, or 41 ". The weight gain is going where I like it

Wow, that is amazing Isabelle!

You must have a figure that GG's would be Envious of.

[Alexis]

Hey Isabelle i have a question about hops. i've been taking them on and off for about a year and i've grown a pretty big butt more so then the breasts so i like it alot. i recently switched to hops extract in a liquead form and i was wondering if it would be a better choice than the capsules?