[Charity]

Isabelle, so if I decide to cycle PM, should I continue all other supplements and substitute FG for PM? I read that the key to growth is to promote estrogen during the fol phase and progesterone during the lut phase. Is this correct? If so I'm thinking of substituting FG for PM and adding pc during lut phase and continuing current during fol phase and maybe adding siriporn PM spray. What do you think? Also what do you think of adding hyaluronic acid or EPO? Which would you suggest, if any? Thanks for all your knowledgable advice! And for taking time to answer my questions!

I'm taking a mini vacation with my hubby in a month and we are gonna stay on the beach. This is our first vacation without the kids since my son was born 4 years ago! I'd like to get ALL the growth I can by then lol.

I realize I never put my measurement on here so here goes -

overbust - not sure
across fullest - 31.5" (was 31")
underbust - 27.5"

waist 25"
hips 36"

I'd like to have my boobies at 36"

[Isabelle]

Hi Charity,

Estrogens grow the milk ducts, and push the nipples and the areolas out, to create the growth you can measure with the tape. Progesterone creates roundness, and prolactin fullness. Estrogens in the follicular phase, and progesterone in the luteal phase, is a compromise between growth and shape. If you want to grow fast, and don't mind conical breasts, focus on estrogens for a few years first, like a teenage girl.

Continuing everything, and replacing PM by FG for the luteal phase is the normal way to cycle, yes.

EPO is a source of GLA, but borage seed oil contains twice as much.

HA is really a filler. It absorbs 10 time its weight in water, so it's popular in filler injections and anti-wrinkle creams. Try not to get the all bloated look with a full moon face by taking too much orally. The benefits are better suited for people who use NB.

[Charity]

So informative! Thanks! I think I will focus on estogens for now and add the PC after I've saw significant growth. So HA doesn't do anything for growth then, right? What is GLA? Is it important for growth?

P.S. I went bra shopping today and I'm sooo depressed! I bought a 34A I wore a 32F right after I had my baby 7 months ago. I just keep telling myself, "If other people can grow boobs, then I can too". I've just gotta find what's gonna work for me. I need motivation lol.

[Isabelle]

Hi Charity,

HA is not really important for growth. It just helps for women who use it every day, and then drink a gallon of water before starting a shameless noogling session. That said, if you need motivation, there's no better way to get motivated for NBE than that

GLA is gamma linolenic acid, an omega 6 fatty acid. It's no more important for growth than other healthy fats.

[lostacres6]

Isabelle,
In the 1 post you said FG is more affordable than GR but you need to cycle it. I've been taking GR continuously (recently been using the powder form for tea). It is expensive. Since I don't cycle the PM, (I have no periods thus no follicular or luteal phases) how would I use the FG? The same as GR - continouously with the PM? And how much FG?
What herbs are used for Prolactin? (sorry if you answered this before). You stated that Prolactin creates fullness. GR & FG are supposed to create fullness, right?
You're a life saver for sharing your knowledge.

[Charity]

I've been intending to update on my program but have been so busy. I'm sort of keeping a journal here I suppose as a way of keeping up with my program. I started a new cycle on the Feb 1. I decided to take isabelle's advice and started taking 1500mg of pm daily. Today is the 16th day of my cycle so I will now go down to 500mg of pm for the remainder of this cycle. I also emptied pm capsules and crushed l-arg tablets and mixed with cocoa butter and have been using this daily for the 15 days.
Isabelle, should I continue to use the cream for the rest of my cycle? Would if be beneficial? Sorry I'm still trying to work out when what works best lol. Also, is it beneficial to promote estrogen throughout my entire cycle or only during the first 15 days?
I'm a bit more motivated I suppose because my hubby commented again that they're definitely fuller I'm now measuring 31 3/4". Slow but steady lol. I've been on my program for exactly 2 months now and have grown 3/4". Is there anything else I could take that might speed it up a bit? lol

[Isabelle]

Hi Lostacres,

Both FG and GR increase prolactin. FG increases progesterone too. For many women here, cycling PM with FG is safer. In your situation, the only advantage is cost. If you want to take high doses of both continuously, go by the symptoms. Increase FG or decrease PM if you have headaches. Do the opposite if you are easily irritated.

[Isabelle]

Hi Charity,

There is too little experience with this cream to tell. Most other PM creams are not very effective.

At the start, only increase estrogens during the first 15 days. Later, squeeze in some more on days 18-25, but remember that progesterone is naturally higher than estrogens during these days. So you have to increase progesterone during days 18-25 too.

[Charity]

Ok so I decided to cycle my pm and I switched to FG on day 16 of my cycle. I am now on day 35 and still no period! No I'm not pregnant lol. My Doc cut a piece of my tubes out after last baby so... lol. Anywayz, I decided to start my pm back today even though I haven't started my new cycle. This is so weird because when I didn't cycle pm I had a 28-31 day cycle.
I also bought siriporn robust lotion and started using it today as well. So I'm back to my original progam with the addition of the siriporn lotion and I'm now taking 1500mg of pm daily instead of 1000mg.
I don't see an obvious difference but for the last week when I put my bra on my boobs touch in the middle and they never did before lol. It feels so weird to be going about my business then notice that because it's so unusual.
Well, just an update so I can keep up with what I'm doing! lol

[Charity]

Isabelle I have a question! So I have not had a period since Feb 1 and then yesterday (the 14th) I started, however I had started back my pm cycle on the 4th because I was late already and didn't want to just keep taking FG. Since this is day 2 of my cycle should I continue the pm cycle for 14 more days of does the 11 days since I restarted pm count? I'm so confused! Sorry I know all this sounds confusing. Hopefully you can dicipher what I'm trying to say lol. It's weird because I've never been this off with my monthly. I think I'm gonna stay away from the FG and just take a lower dose of pm during luteal phase. Thanks for always answering all my silly questions!