[rocketmelon]

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[Dynseli]

you're welcome. That research paper linked to at top is kind of confusing. I realized that it mentioned how bcp was both estrogens and (class) progesterones; and that cleared up my misconception that the paper had a conflicting result on progesterones. It takes me a long time to try to note the data from that paper. Skip to the abstract and the conclusion, I think that sums it up.

The day range is useful, but that varies too much for it to explain the significance of hormones.

[Dynseli]

IGF-1 and few others could you make short glossary 4 me?(=

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=21109 Hormones and receptors; definitions and abbreviations

[rocketmelon]

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[Dynseli]

thank you =DD this is great glad to have you on the forum;]

You're welcome. Thank you for saying that.

[Dynseli]

I think I over complicated it by trying to look at all of the details.

For non-users of bcp:
Follicular: high prolactin, high IGF-1
Luteal: high progestogens, high but lesser estrogen, low androgens.

For users of bcp:
possibly similar to above, but specific hormones (LH, FSH, prolactin, estrogens, progestogens) for days 5-10 and 18-23 (both of these days are normally outside of ovulation). Also depending on the type of bcp. (Read the paper for bcp users.)

[Dynseli]

Hops raises prolactin and IGF-1 (lacking source). It's good during follicular.
Massage raises prolactin, and short intense exercise is supposed to raise IGF-1

Chasteberry is supposed to raise progesterone (lacking source), but lower excessive prolactin.

Here are estrogenic herbs... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...objectonly

Red reishi reduces DHT
White peony increases estrogen while lowering androgens.

Pueraria M. I heard on threads is both estrogenic and progestogenic.

[Lotus]

Hops raises prolactin and IGF-1 (lacking source). It's good during follicular.
Massage raises prolactin, and short intense exercise is supposed to raise IGF-1

Chasteberry is supposed to raise progesterone (lacking source), but lower excessive prolactin.

Here are estrogenic herbs... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...objectonly

Red reishi reduces DHT
White peony increases estrogen while lowering androgens.

Pueraria M. I heard on threads is both estrogenic and progestogenic.

Paeonia has been shown to positively influence low progesterone, reduce elevated androgens (testosterone) and acts to modulate estrogen and prolactin. In vitro, the active constituent paeoniflorin has been shown to affect the ovarian follicle by its action on the aromatase enzyme. Aromatase is important for follicle maturation, ovulation and corpus luteum function, steroid hormone synthesis and the regulation of the conversion of androgens to estrogens. The biofeedback in the pituitary and hypothalamus rely on aromatase to regulate prolactin and GnRH. The daily dose for Paeonia is 4.5 to 9 mL of a 1:2 dried plant extract.

http://www.townsendletter.com/Nov2004/phyto1104.htm

[Lotus]

Hops raises prolactin and IGF-1 (lacking source). It's good during follicular.
Massage raises prolactin, and short intense exercise is supposed to raise IGF-1

Chasteberry is supposed to raise progesterone (lacking source), but lower excessive prolactin.

Here are estrogenic herbs... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...objectonly

Red reishi reduces DHT
White peony increases estrogen while lowering androgens.

Pueraria M. I heard on threads is both estrogenic and progestogenic.

Paeonia has been shown to positively influence low progesterone, reduce elevated androgens (testosterone) and acts to modulate estrogen and prolactin. In vitro, the active constituent paeoniflorin has been shown to affect the ovarian follicle by its action on the aromatase enzyme. Aromatase is important for follicle maturation, ovulation and corpus luteum function, steroid hormone synthesis and the regulation of the conversion of androgens to estrogens. The biofeedback in the pituitary and hypothalamus rely on aromatase to regulate prolactin and GnRH. The daily dose for Paeonia is 4.5 to 9 mL of a 1:2 dried plant extract.

http://www.townsendletter.com/Nov2004/phyto1104.htm

5α-Reductase inhibitory activity-guided fractionation of the EtOH extract of the fruiting body of Ganoderma lucidum (LEYSS.:FR.) KARST. (Ganodermataceae), which is called Reishi, or Mannentake in Japan and Lingzhi in China, led to the isolation of two active compounds which were ganoderic acid DM and 5α-lanosta-7,9(11),24-triene-15α,26-dihydroxy-3-one with an IC50 of 10.6 μM and 41.9 μM respectively. A carboxyl group of side chain of ganoderic acid DM is essential to elicit the inhibitory activity because of much less activity of its methyl ester.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16462054

[Dynseli]

"Paeonia has been shown to positively influence low progesterone, reduce elevated androgens (testosterone) and acts to modulate estrogen and prolactin." ...

http://www.townsendletter.com/Nov2004/phyto1104.htm

I think that means it also lowers progesterone. It could be because it raises estrogen. through aromatase. Estrogens and progestogens lower each other. The rest of the quote was interesting about the active ingredient, about feedback and the dosage.

Corpus luteum is some form of the egg, I forget which. It is a temporary organ that produces progestogens, until menstruation.