[surferjoe2007]

Wanted to reply on this..by taking Amino Acids we can up our IGF too right? I'm not too sure on this but I know amino acids raise HGH by stimulating that gland in the brain(forgot the English name)...IGF is part of human growth hormones or am I wrong?

HGH does increase IGF-1 a little, but it is much less effective for breast growth than simply giving IGF-1.  I thought I'd look into the studies to find the details on L-arginine and HGH:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17684620
This study says that 7g L-arginine for 1 week is ineffective for both GH and IGF-1.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15895316
This study found no effect on HGH or anything else from 2.8-5.7g arginine+ 2.2-8.7g asparate for 4 weeks.
It also mentioned how these aminos have been used for this purpose before.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10410846
This study says aminos may or may not help and more study is needed.
It also points out that there may be some benefits but they are no better than dietary aminos.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17684620
This study points out that while 5-9g L-arginine increases resting HGH, it actually decreases HGH during exercise.  It still increases compared to resting, but not as much as compared to exercise alone with L-arginine.  It also refers to other studies that showed that L-arginine increase HGH

This article claims there are studies with conflicting information, and that the HGH boost is mostly short term:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/532224...-arginine/

So it looks like it's a mixed bag on whether or not L-arginine even works to increase HGH.  I have referred to the studies on 6g helping before, now it looks like further study have found that iffy.  Probably only short term and maybe only via injection.  6g L-arginine is a great way to get an upset stomach and super diarrhea unless well spread out, and it seems like you need it all at once to make HGH spike.  I've noticed a lot of people are taking 1-2g L-arginine which is very little compared to what you already get from your diet and compared to what's in the studies.  So... I've always known it was hard to pull off taking enough L-arginine supplements to boost HGH, but now it seems that I was wrong about it helping much even if you do pull it off.  At least not long term.  Maybe short term.

The DHEA study I referred to before was for menopausal women.  I'd have to look further to see if it helps in younger women.  But at least it might be helpful for women with low IGF-1 and/or low hormone levels similar to menopause.

For nutrition I meant more along the lines of a wide variety of nutrients from healthy foods... which also tend to give you your L-arginine too in case it does matter.

[surferjoe2007]

Kept taking the 1 full deer velvet extract lozenge from above link.  Eventually felt dazed, then headaches.  The website warned about headaches so that's when I figured out what was going on.  Figures since I responded so fast to begin with.  I took a couple day break then started again at half a lozenge a day and I'm loaded with energy again.    I seem to have gotten a tiny bit leaner too.  Recovery from workouts is improved somewhat.

[Miss Mad Scientist]

Really nice Joe!
I like your updates. I think I might try it out too.

What I do atm for raising my IGF-1 levels is:
- high intensity interval workout 10 min a day
- take 100 grams of dried prunes daily (17% increase after 3 months)
- take 50 grams of blueberries daily
- take 25 grams of casein protein powder daily
- take 3 grams of ceylon cinnamon throughout the day (it is in my water)
- take bcp rectally with coconut oil (less directly through my liver, thus not lowering my IGF-1 levels as much as taking it orally)
- maintaining healthy weight, I am finished dieting now
- once a week I use a 2 grams GABA supplement
- trying to go to bed earlier hehe, slowly getting better at this

Xxx

[Miss Mad Scientist]

I also don't know how to increase HGF. Also not sure I want to though.

I have read something in the past about retinoids (tretinoine) if I remember correctly.

But I thought, if heparin-kind drugs will increase HGF, then Vitamine K will most likely have a sort of opposite effect.
Since Vitamine K increases blood clotting factors, and heparin reduces it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494089/


So stay away from Kale (and some other veggies high in Vitamin K), if you are interested in that.

xxx

[Dianna1395]

Hello, everyone,
Since we're talking HGH at this point, Niacin flushes help to boost HGH as well. Take it at night before bed; build up over time, starting from probably 125 mg or so to even 2-4 grams, depending on purpose - 2-4 grams is therapeutic dose to clear out the blood vessels from plaque and cholesterol - I'd stay away unless you KNOW you'll be OK. If you've had problems, or if you're on blood thinners or vasoconstrictors, definitely not good to play with that dosage.
Feels like your skin is crawling at the high doses (2 grams / 2,000 mg), too, and you turn a bit pink, or even red...  

;-)

BTW, exercising the big muscle groups also boosts HGH. Squats, deadlifts, etc. Combining it all, this could be a good recipe for additional growth.
-Dianna

[Miss Mad Scientist]

HGF= Hepatocyte Growth Factor

HGH = Human Growth Hormone

[Dianna1395]

[deleted as off-topic - Dianna     at myself.]

[Dianna1395]

HGF= Hepatocyte Growth Factor

HGH = Human Growth Hormone

D'OH!!!!

I know I need new glasses...   But this is ridiculous.
(Can I get a new life, while I'm at it?  ;-)  )
-Dianna

[Miss Mad Scientist]

HGF= Hepatocyte Growth Factor

HGH = Human Growth Hormone

D'OH!!!!

I know I need new glasses...   But this is ridiculous.
(Can I get a new life, while I'm at it?  ;-)  )
-Dianna

Ah me too, don't feel bad,  have been making the same mistake more than once actually xD
Dyslexia I guess

Thought I would point it out.

Nontheless HGH is very important too for IGF-1 levels! And I didn't know about that yet, so thx I am def checking it out.
xxx

[Miss Mad Scientist]

Ugg so I was thinking of plausible hypothetical ways to increase HGF due to the release of your natural heparin storage.
Heparin is stored in granules inside of mast cells. Mast cells are white blood cells that are basically everywhere in the body.
They are involved with allergies (main reason actually) and mast cell diseases, and they release granules filled with histamine and other mediators like Heparin. There are many ways and reasons (diseases for example) why mast cells release their granules. I thought to discuss a plausible one.
Upon tissue damage mast cells can release these granules. Only way I can think of to apply this is to use dermarolling on your breasts, so heparin is increased locally within your breast tissue.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...po=22.0588

Besides the fact that dermarolling is absolutely amazing for your body
I would do it at home. Half life of heparin is 1.5, so if you do it in the evening before bed. Then maybe HGF together with IGF-1 released higher at night might see some more significant growth.
But this is all very hypothetical, and just random thoughts I wanted to share on the matter.

Here something extra fun to read: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...131100046X


Hounestly, I wouldn't want to increase my HGF for a long period of time. I am really up for increasing other growth factors, but this one is just too cancer prone for my taste. But I guess dermarolling once every 6 weeks couldn't harm.


Edit:

Capsaicin creme could possibly do the same. It induces degranulation of mast cells. Capsaicin is the spicy ingredient found in hot peppers.

https://www.koreamed.org/SearchBasic.php?RID=0049KJA%2F1998.31.4.629&DT=1