[Wahaika]

>>"Are you defending Majestic views toward men or are you defending her from people attacking her."

My opinion that Eve's board should be 100% female comes from a time when it was 100% female. To the best of my knowledge, I was the first male on the board. (I could be wrong about that.) See this message from February 2007:

http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1905

I don't really know Majestic. I was just replying to a post. As far as defending her, yep, that is what it turned into. I think that everyone who attacked her just made matters worse and showed to me that they were acting hipocritical. I don't agree with the comparisons that many have made concerning Nazis/Jews/Alies, etc. (I will elaborate in the other thread when I get some time to write it - I'm out of time tonight.) It has been thoroughly blown out of purportion.

>>"She called me an idiot for no real reason and I thought that was ridiculous. Do you feel she was right in all her post?"

I couldn't find the post you were referring to, but it doesn't really matter, does it? You're not an idiot. What else matters? If someone resorts to name calling, it seems most efficient to me to simply ignore them. Why get dragged into it? Would you agree?

>>"I'm not going to lie and say your post didn't offend me. I was a little upset and hurt, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I have the right to disagree. Although, I was upset, I couldn't judge you because I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic."

I'm not sure which post you are referring to - do you mean the one above where I labeled it as intended to be humorous?

>>"I just hate to seeing once respected users getting a negative image on the site."

On the respect (or once respected) issue, we are well past that now. One particular user really emphasized it in several posts. I think that she has an agenda. The question is if I really care. To understand my answer, look at who does not repect me - people who encourage men to be women. People who think that an immoral lifestyle is just as valid as a moral one. Who can respect that? What have I lost?

It is not my intention to offend you. Please accept my apology if I have. But also please understand that if I have an opinion on something I think is important that differs from others, but remained silent, who would respect that?

Wahaika

[Anastasia916]

Wahaika, interesting, so you post a link to a thread on the BE board, but you don't actually read it yourself first! It said there were males already on Eve's forum who are looking to grow breasts themselves, so I have to wonder, if you think it's immoral then why even come on Eve's forum?

Saying I support an immoral lifestyle as opposed to a moral one is all opinion, please state that it's your opinion instead of portraying it as fact. Morals are beliefs of what is right, beliefs are opinion, not fact. There are people who believe eating meat is immoral, but yet the majority on this planet still eat it. There are people who believe all kinds of things are immoral where to others it's pretty normal. So I understand you think it's immoral for a man to become a woman and/or grow breasts. But don't you realize that some women on this forum might view you as even stranger than a male growing breasts to be on here?

I mean think about it. This forum is for people GROWING breasts to share their experiences with each other. You are not actually doing that nor have done that. To some you might seem creepy or a perv for being on here in place of your wife... there is a "husband" over on the noogleberry forum who posts for his wife, and trust me, plenty have messaged me thinking he's a creep lol. And there are more biological males over there growing breasts than here! So I think for the women that feel uncomfortable with men being on a BE forum, they feel MORE uncomfortable with a male like you than a transgender or crossdresser.

Back on the morals subject... I am sure there are things you do that others would say you are immoral and how can they respect you, so look in the mirror before pointing fingers. And again, the MAJORITY here in YOUR opinion are immoral since we DO support those you find to live an immoral lifestyle.

[Wahaika]

Thank you for consolidating.

Maybe you did not see post #39.

You said I was trying to confuse you. I disagree. Please point out where I confused you or tried to confuse you - or anyone for that matter.

Please back up your accusation.

[Anastasia916]

Wahaika, I'm done talking to you, I'm not going to continue to sit here telling you what is right in front of your face, it's like talking to a wall! I know you're only doing it on purpose to try to ruffle my feathers, but I am seriously done.

You ignored my question about why you even came to Eve's forum if you knew there were already transgenders here if you are so against them. So why the heck should I answer you? You also said you were going to give your opinion why you did not agree with the Nazi/Jew thing being compared to this situation, yet you haven't, I was looking forward to hearing your opinion on that since you oppose. But alas, you don't seem to want to answer anything that will make you look even more ignorant and dig yourself a deeper hole, no, you'd rather keep asking me obviously stupid questions in which you already know the answer to. You are trying to play mind games, but I'm not playing!

[Wahaika]

To be honest, I expected an evasive answer like that one, if any at all. I am not playing mind games. It sure looks to me like you accused me of something that I did not do. In my book that is worse than being prejudiced. (I am not prejudiced - look it up.) I NEVER tried to confuse anyone at any time. Why do you think that I go to such lengths to explain everything I say? To make sure as best that I know how to make sense, not to confuse.

On the other hand, do you find anything I say confusing? If so, please point it out so I can correct myself and be understood. But as for intentionally trying to confuse (in my book this means intentionally deceiving) back up your claims and I will apologize. I'll even expand it to any message on any board at any time - ever. But again, if something does confuse you that I say, I have no claims on being perfect. Please point it out and I will restate it in some other way so as not to be confusing.

On the other stuff, I am surprised. Going by the large volume and content of the other thread, I really, honestly, did not think that anyone, especially you, was the slightest bit interested in anything I have to say on this or on NBE in the future. So, thank you for that. It will take time to write it out in more detail than I had planned.

(BTW_1, in case it is not clear, post 39 refers to the second to the last paragraph in post 34. The second sentence implies that you are competent enough to not be fooled which, to me, amounts to an accusation. As for the rest of the post I'll leave that until this issue is cleared up, if possible.)

(BTW_2, This will be an interesting observation of a double standard on the board. Prejudice is not tolerated. Now we find out how false accusations are tolerated - as if the answer to that is not already obvious.)

I will answer all of your questions in the previous post and any others I can find. Are there any others you wish me to specifically address?

Wahaika

[Bibi]

There is a name for people like you who try to subtly twist arguments to win an argument just for the sake of winning, it´s a sophist. And no, I´m not going into all these details again, it´s getting really boring and what is the use? You seem to feel entitled to label people who are different from you, to establish your superiority over anyone who doesn´t fit in with your definition of right and wrong. You never answer questions put to you, you don´t stick to any logical reasoning (btw what was the use of that question about who has kids? never mind!), it is getting not only annoying but boring as well.

So well, that would be all, I´m ignoring all further posts, even if you write something infantile like "haha, you´re ignoring my posts because you know I´m right" or "oh yeah I knew you´d be evasive as well" or whatever, I´m not expecting true dialogue anymore.

[Wahaika]

So now, any reply that makes any sense is sophistry just because it disagress with your beliefs? This is a perfect example of the double standard I was talking about.

I know what my intentions are and you're wrong. That is a fact, not an opinion.

On the other hand, I do not claim to be perfect. Please provide examples of sophistry if you can, otherwise it is just another vocabulary word to throw around that you do not understand, and are wrong about anyway. All of my dialog is true dialog. If you do not understand something, or disagree - please provide an example.



...Ladies, please. I am trying my best here. I am going to answer every question put to me in both threads. But there are only so many hours in a day. Please let me address what I promised I would without more hate messages piling up. Thank you.

[laisegirl]

Ok all...I have read all the posts here and WOW has it gone out to left field....

last time i checked this forum was for information, support and laughs at times....have i missed a change in that?

There are so many arguements and opinions on all this that the thread could go on for a very long time. With no one really winning. And sometimes the tone of a post can be misunderstood.

It all boils down to this(I feel) that this forum is free to anyone who can log on to it...... and they are free to not log on to it if they choose.

So many people here have been very helpful to me(including Wahaika) that i would hate for anyone to leave. That would be such a loss to this forum.

And in defense of Wahaika...he brings his thoughts/opinions on this journey from his wife's journey and research. Why is he here instaed of his wife? Well that could be for many reasons to which maybe he chooses not to disclose. and that is his right. those reasons are none of my business. I just want to continue to learn from him and others.

So as far as I am concerned, as long as anyone on here has a question, information or an experience to share then they should. And if someone else doesn't like a certain "type" of person being on here then they should simply refrain from reading any of that person's posts. Plain and simple. (and no I am not going against ANYONE here)

Let's get back to what this forum was created for.....

laisegirl

[girljustgoingalong]

Can this topic stop? I'm starting to think that everyone just loves the drama.

Both sides are getting annoying. And I'm sorry, but comparing anything about the Holocaust to a situation this dumb is ignorant and offensive. So can we not?

[Anastasia916]

And again a question in which would make you look like a hypocrite you ignore, I said it at least twice... why did you even come on Eve's forum knowing there are transgenders and other born males here growing breasts if you are so against it?

And yes, judging someone based on race, gender, sexual orientation, culture, religion, etc. IS prejudiced, and YOU ARE PREJUDICED, accept it.

But I do agree with laisegirl, and I said it before... I ignore carlaa's posts because I don't like her, if you don't like certain people, don't read their posts, and if you dislike it so much, then no one is keeping you here. I'm staying. It seems that the friends I made here agree that males should stay and that transgenders are acceptable here, so I will continue to talk to them on here, sharing our experiences, and ultimately growing some boobalicious bods!

And I agree this topic has been drawn out too much, it's gotten boring, and I'd like to move on. Lets agree to disagree... if you are not for males being on here, don't read their posts, when you post your programs and pic pages, put on them female only and I'm sure the males will be respectful not to comment or even look at your thread. Do you agree guys?

I personally have no problem with them, they inspire most of us, and they can comment me and view my threads all they want. But if you don't want them on yours, put female only, how hard is that?