[lovedebbii]

I've always wanted very long hair (Crystal Gail), but I just doesn't seem to ever go longer than my mid-back! :-( It was this long in the late `80's, then I shaved it all off in protest in `89 and haven't cut it since, but it STILL hasn't gone past my mid back!!

I cut off all my hair two years ago cause it was thin and damaged and but since taking vitamins it's grown a lot. I'm trying to eat healthy and lower the amount of pills I pop in a day lol. I tend to get scissor happy with my hair though because I get bored with it lol but I dabble in wigs and extensions sometime because they're much fun. I also heard people have terminal hair lengths and it's genetic

Hmmmm, I wouldn't know about terminal hair lengths. My dad always had a crew cut until the late `60's, then he just kept it about 2 or 3 inches long, y'know, standard guy hair cut. Mom never had long hair, but grandma on both sides have very long hair until shortly after I was hatched. My dad's mom had it fairly short most of her older years, from the late `40's onward, I think, Mom's mom had it long until the late `60's, but it was always in a bun, so I never really saw it long. My oldest sister had it way down to her ass until high school.

My mom had long hair before she got sick and both my sisters have pretty long hair. I'd always been the odd one out when it comes to a lot of things but I'm catching up. Maybe you just need more hair vitamins then. I've done a lot of research on kinky coily curly hair like my own but I think it's the same concept with all types of hair. It just needs love and attention

[Missed Miss]

I've heard coconut oil helps a lot, but I REALLY hate my hair feeling greasy!!

[Blue Colleen]

I was referring to the fact that you'd be increasing your breast size either way, which MissedMiss has addressed. Obviously we all here prefer natural breasts, but there are people who like implants better.

I do agree that implants probably require less self-reflection than NBE, but they're not really that quick and there's a good deal of pain and aftercare that goes into it. I don't know that NBE means more body acceptance, though. There's a lot of "boobie greed" floating around that seems eerily similar to an augmented woman's desire to go bigger after her first surgery.

I'm not against anyone who wants to go the plastic route. Whatever makes them happy but they are a lot quicker than NBE because you usually wake up way bigger than you were whiles some people don't see results with NBE for months.
And I can't really speak for anyone else on the matter of self acceptance but boobie greed to me is like wanting to grow your hair longer even though its at a good length. There's nothing wrong with that.

I've always wanted very long hair (Crystal Gail), but I just doesn't seem to ever go longer than my mid-back! :-( It was this long in the late `80's, then I shaved it all off in protest in `89 and haven't cut it since, but it STILL hasn't gone past my mid back!!

There is no terminal hair lenght, only people with longe or sortear anagen fases. For exemple someone whose most scalp hair strands grow for only 2 years, and their hair grows 0.5 inches a month, she's going to have short hair, but if she accelerates her hair growth, taking vitamin supplements and doing her masks and etc, her hair WILL grow longer. But if then her hair grow VERY fast and if she stops taking vitamins, and her hair start growing in the normal speed again, the longer strands will shed and she'll have short hair again. In theory.
I hope that made sense

[Blue Colleen]

Thanks, Blue!! I DO try to be different!

Okay, but LOOK at who's thinking this way, saying no tits means your ugly. It's a bunch of little girls!!!! Most of whom are brainwashed by scrawny, anorexic/bulimic women pictured in magazines that are photoshopped to look even skinnier than they really are and to have MUCH bigger tits than they really do. They start out playing with a figurine that is VERY badly proportionate!! Her name is, Barbie!! They're taught to believe that THIS is perfection and what they SHOULD look like by the time they are 13 or 14. I just read yesterday about someone having done a Barbie to real life comparison. If Barbie was a real girl, she's have to be 7' 2" tall, her neck would be so skinny it couldn't possibly support her head, and her tits would give her curvature of the spine or at least make her a hunchback!
NO ONE says you HAVE to cave under the pressure of your supposed friends!! If they were REALLY your friends, they'd accept you no matter how you looked or dressed and no matter how big your tits are. In about 8 years, nobody this girl is now in school with will give a shit HOW big her tits are! It's called, maturation! All this self-imposed pressure will no longer exist!! Do your girlfriends REALLY tell you that you have to have bigger tits or you're nobody? If they do, tell THEM to make your tits bigger FOR you if it's that important!
When guys are that age, everything revolves around the size of their dick!! What can you POSSIBLY do to make it bigger?? NOTHING!! IF it's to get bigger, it'll do it by itself in its own time!! By the time they're 15 or 16, it no longer matters anymore!!
Like we've said here, y'all need to STOP wasting so much of your time and energy worrying about shit that you have NO control over and just let it happen as it happens!! Your tits will take of themselves!! What YOU need to take care of is your homework!
And, like I've said, ANY boy, and I mean ANY boy, that thinks you HAVE to have big tits to be worth it is NOT worth it!! Nobody says you HAVE to date someone if you don't want to. Date who you want WHEN you want!!

You mean men with troglodyte brains!! I see LOTS of what you'd call "plan-looking": women in my travels every day that I think are quite pretty!! I see people pictures of people, usually famous women, with no make-up on and the SCADS of comments about how ugly they look without make-up and, honestly, most often, I think they look even prettier without make-up!! ANYONE that'd call these women ugly is ABSOLUTELY PLASTIC and has been brainwashed into buying into the hype of what the magazine SAY beauty is!! You've all been hypnotized into believing this junk!! The sooner you all wake up and snap out of it and think for yourselves, the better off we'll all be!! When I was in college, I was MADLY in love with this INCREDIBLY beautiful girl that happened to be my best friend!! EVERY GUY on campus wanted to get into her sexy pants!!!! But, as far as she was concerned, she's fat and an ugly and NOBODY will EVER love her!! That image is self-projected!! Well, the entire time we were in college together she was ALWAYS dating SOMEONE!!!! Here's her picture. Does THAT look fat & ugly to you????

Most men think with their dicks, because that's what they've been taught to think with!! Look at how many have their priorities as: cars, football, beer and tits. I care almost NOTHING about cars, I HATE football and I think beer (and all other booze) should be made illegal and marijuana should be made legal. I do NOT smoke grass, but, look at how many people died from using that compared to how many died or were killed because of SOMEONE'S use of booze. Anyway, guys that think that way with those priorities are not the smartest monkeys! Are they? But you're willing to settle for that for the sake of love and you'll use your tits to get that love! It's a trade off! My tits for what passes for love? But, if you have no tits you can't HAVE love?? How cruel!!!! Again, I don't care how big a girl's tits are! I want someone that's got a brain in her head. Prettiness is a plus and, yeah, bigger tits are a plus, but, I've seen PLENTY of women with small tits that I think are very pretty (their tits, I mean). Cameron Diaz has small tits, Roseanne Barr has huge ones. Which would you prefer to be? Most guys would rather have Cameron!! How many of those guys are gay? I'm not gay, but I care more about a woman's personality and brains than the size of her tits. Besides, as we all here know, tits can be made bigger!! Besides, tits are ONLY there for decoration!! Not only flat-chested women, but even MEN can breast feed!! So, why have protruding tits if it's not needed for any function? Answer: Looks!! Attraction!!

No, when you reach adulthood, there'll BE no pressure to have bigger tits!! That's what little girls obsess over.

When I hear the word, "Woman", I think of someone with long hair, that is pretty and PREFERABLY has a nice body, but her having big tits is optional. I'd LOVE a very pretty girl, but I wouldn't mind at all if she was just average looking.

Hun, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT I'll EVER be an attractive woman!! Apparently, I don't even make an attractive guy!! I've only ever been with 3 women!! My first, after a few months of us being together, claimed she was just using me to make another guy jealous. My second, a year later, was on the verge of a nervous breakdown and I didn't know it. To this day, she still has NO recollection of us ever having sex!! And my third, 8 years later, after being together for 7 or 8 years, started cheating on me with a guy that picks through garbage and makes very strange art out of it!! I don't consider ANY of them to have been an actual girlfriend!!

Hun, you only THINK you need to "fix" things for guys to be attracted to you!! Chances are, if you DON'T fix it at ALL, you'll STILL get yourself a guy!!
Don't be so hard on yourself, hun. And, while you're at it, don't be so hard on your, so far, titless girlfriends!!

Take care!! :-)

Yeah you're right in some way... But I can't not "fix" it! You know, the more attractive boys do like bigger breasts.
And... I'm ashamed of this but I think I'll have to say...
There's a boy, from my school, that I like, since about 1 year ago or so. 2 months ago I asked my friend to tell him and guess what he said! "She's nice but no I would not kiss her or date her or whatever"! I'm practically the ONLY girl that likes him and he doesn't like. He's dated a lot of girls, VERY different from each other! There's that black one, the other one that looks like Snow White, then the fat blonde one, the skinny one... The list goes on. The ONLY thing I've noticed that ALL of them have BUT me is boobs! Not necessarily big ones, he's dated a girl with small breasts but they are still bigger than mine! I think that's why I am here after all. And the girls' personalities are WIDELY different too! This boy plays the electric guitar in a metal band and he's dated girls that HATE rock! And he KNOWS I like metal. But he won't even talk to me about his band! What he does with everybody!
I know I shouldn't like him, I know you'll say he's a jerk but I... I can't control it. He's just too perfect and I'm too submissive! /:

By the way sincerely neither the girl or you in the photo look bad. You kinda look like some illustrations of Jesus lol. You are not ugly, you probably just have an... Unattractive personality, and thats why you have never had a real girlfriend. And yeah for most women, personality is more important than looks. Sadly it's not a good personality! It's the assertiveness and confidence that attract a woman! That's why we like some of the jerks... What pisses me off!

And from what I've read in some of your threads, you seem to do want to be an attravtive woman. Even if you think it's not possible. But sincerely, it's totally possible! Grow boobs, use a corset, grow your head hair and shape your eyebrows and remove any other hair, do that surgery that turns a penis into a vagina, and that other surgery that makes your jaw smaller, bleach your hair blonde and paint your nails and you're done!

The more attractive boys are most likely plastic themselves! Maybe in half a dozen years you'll understand that looks are superficial.

That boy you like is a pubescent, horny kid!! The chances of any of you hitting gold the first time you date someone are slim to none. You're only JUST starting to figure out what you like in a mate. As they say, there's LOTS of fish in the ocean!! What you like today will most likely NOT be what you'll like in 8 or more years. There were a LOT of couples in Jr. High School when I was that age and you know how many of them are still together today? Probably very close to NONE! They were only 13 at the time and pretty much every one of them split up and dated other people NUMEROUS times over the next 6 years!
Okay, let's take your POV and flip it over. What do girls look for in a guy, especially 13 year olds. (I specify them, because the following is something that happened when I was 13.) In Jr, High, I met this girl named, Emily, and as SOON as I set eyes on her, I was MADLY in love with her!!!!!! And, it had NOTHING to do with her tits!! I think she was no more than a B cup all through high school. She had a stunningly GORGEOUS toothy smile, dark skin and very long dark hair!!!! I was SURE she was an Indian!!!! Turned out, she's Irish, like me!! And she was VERY sweet!!!! I loved her voice and the way she talked, too. No matter how madly I was in love with her, she'd NEVER even THINK of going out with me!!!! I'm pretty sure I made it VERY clear that day that I wanted her in the WORST way!!!! Not with words, but with actions! I sat next to her at lunch and no matter how much other people tried to talk me into moving so someone else could sit next to her, I REFUSED to move!!!! I'm pretty sure EVERYBODY in the entire school knew I was hot for Emily!! But, apparently, I didn't have what she was looking for!! Couldn't have been that she was looking for a guy with bigger tits!! To this day, I still have no clue why she'd never go out with me!!
Anyway, I'm SURE there's something else about you that this boy doesn't find attractive, not just your tits, but, even if it IS your tits, why would you want a guy that only sees you as a pair of tits?

Thank you!! Yeah, Jesus is another one I think I kinda look like. I also have a t-shirt with Todd Rundgren's picture on it and when I wear it people ask me if that's me on the shirt! Maybe that's why Todd seems to be scared of me every time I show up at his gigs! But then, the time I helped run sound for two of his shows, he had a guitarist with him, Jesse Gress, who, until I actually met and talked with Jesse later that night, I thought was Todd's brother because he looked just like Todd!!
I seriously don't think I have a bad personality, I've had quite few girl friends (friends that are girls) that have told me I'm a very nice and sweet guy, and, it was JENNIFER that introduced herself to ME one afternoon between classes and said that she saw me in the lunch room and thought to herself she really wanted to meet me!! She was 17 that day, soon to be 18 in about 2 weeks, and I had just turned 27 2 months before. I just can't seem to get girls to take me beyond the friend zone!!
Well, as you should've noticed in the picture, I already have long hair! It's half way down my back. I shaved it all off in protest in `89, but haven't cut it since!! And, 2 years before this picture was taken, I TRIED to colour my hair blonde, had it done professionally, and it came out a golden orange!! I don't think my hair CAN be taken to blonde!! As for the rest, I don't have the money to go through all of that. Donations anyone?

I'm not sure either why that girl wouldn't date you... Were you short? Shorter than her? It would probably have been the reason lol.
Or maybe she found you creepy. Did she let you sit next to her? Girls usually like boys that are confident, but still sweet, and funny.
But if the problem was your appearance, I can't really tell what exactly in your appearance. I find my crush extremely beautiful yet ALL my friends think he's ugly as ****!
And now that I'm thinking he may not like me for some other reason, I wear padded bras to school and I look bigger than I really am... Tho it looks different than other girl's breasts so maybe they all know I wear padded bras??? Idk. But I'm too quiet and extremely shy, even more when he's in the same room. But would this be reason to not date me? I act normally around my friends and people I know well...

[lovedebbii]

I'm not sure either why that girl wouldn't date you... Were you short? Shorter than her? It would probably have been the reason lol.
Or maybe she found you creepy. Did she let you sit next to her? Girls usually like boys that are confident, but still sweet, and funny.
But if the problem was your appearance, I can't really tell what exactly in your appearance. I find my crush extremely beautiful yet ALL my friends think he's ugly as ****!
And now that I'm thinking he may not like me for some other reason, I wear padded bras to school and I look bigger than I really am... Tho it looks different than other girl's breasts so maybe they all know I wear padded bras??? Idk. But I'm too quiet and extremely shy, even more when he's in the same room. But would this be reason to not date me? I act normally around my friends and people I know well...

I highly doubt that a guy won't like you because you wear padded bras. I like bras that are more non padded to lightly lined but that not the point lol. A lot of people like to date people they can talk to. Most guys won't approach if they think you're closed off and that's the kind of vibe most shy people emit and that can also be intimidating. If I like a guy I'll totally be myself around them and if they think I'm weird then they're not the one but I've only had one guy who thought that and we ended up becoming really close friends after I started dating his brother . I think girls overanalyze when it comes to guys they like and most guys just want a girl who's laid back and fun.

[Blue Colleen]

Big breast does not make a person attractive. Nice round breast can be quite alluring but all boobs are just sacks of fat and their only purpose is to give nurishment to newborn babies, which I think is one of the most beautiful purposes the female body can have. But it doesn't matter what size they are because 32A's have fed children just as well as 32D's. Boobs does not make a person attractive and I know this because there are plenty of men and woman who have wanted to get in my pants even at my smallest cups.

It's true that with the laws of attraction at hand most men will not initially hit on a person if they don't find that person attractive but plenty have come to find a person attractive or fallen in love with them after getting to know them

And we all have preferences there's nothing wrong with that but just because a guy doesn't prefer the way you look doesn't make you ugly in any way

It's hard to love yourself in a world where we are though to hate and be ashamed of what we are but we at least have to try if not to put our own minds at ease then to show the younger generation that there is no need to torture themselves like that

You shouldn't feel like you have to change your appearance just to find a person because all that eventually fades and you're only left with you inner beauty which has a lot more effect than any outer beauty.

"Big breasts do not make a person more attractive" That's simply not true. Seriously, have you ever researched this? 
Go to the bottom of this page, #1:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19834_5-s...ns_p2.html
Scroll down to body attractiveness http://www.viewzone.com/attractiveness2.html
This: http://nicholassterling.wordpress.com/20...e-breasts/
And no one even needs to research to know this. Seriously. Why the hell would A LOT women pay the thousands of dollars for a breast augmentation surgery if it didn't make them more attractive??!?!?!??? They enjoy the back pain?????? Seriously. Seriously. Just google "attractive women" and count in your right hand fingers the flat chested women you see in the first thousand of photos. 
Well you don't even need to do that. Just read some 9gag comments, in ANY post. There is ALWAYS something related to big boobs. 

Yes, Blue, but that's what SOCIETY TELLS you to like!! Maybe you can take it upon yourself and even some of your friends to do your own survey and ask guys if they'd take a girl and ordinary-looking girl with big tits over a gorgeous girl with small tits. I'd take Cameron Diaz over pretty much ANYONE with plastic tits!! Have you ever seen NCIS? There's a girl on that show who isn't really all that pretty, just basically very average-looking, and, to this day, I have NO idea how big her tits are and I don't really care!! But, I'd LOVE to go out with her!!!! Something about her eyes, her face, her personality, her hair, just DOES something to me!! It's Cote, the one that plays, Ziva. She can eat crackers in MY bed ANY day!!
Yeah, most guys DO love a huge rack and would love to get a girl that has one, but, look at how many people get divorced these days because they choose the WRONG people to marry for the WRONG and plastic reasons!! "She's got HUGE tits!! I think I'll marry her!!" A few years later, he takes her tits out of his eyes and finds out it's NOT the match made in heaven that he THOUGHT it was!! Back in the `50's, `40's and before, people got married because they LOVED each other!! And, for the most part, they STAYED married, `til death do they part!! Tits are SUPERFICIAL, AT BEST!! My cousin, Julie, has had LOTS of guys chasing after her her whole life, y'know what? She's an A cup!!!! But, because she's a real sweetheart and very pretty (think Michelle Pfiffer) she's even had her own cousins chasing after her all her life!!

You know, the problem with discussions and arguments, both online and IRL, is that no one will ever say they're wrong. They can think "this person has got a point... I was wrong here" but they'll never SAY it.
Well this just leads to never-ending inutile arguments so I have to say. You're right. Maybe breasts aren't the most important thing on earth for boys. Maybe not even for any boy.
If only I was gorgeous...! Then I would not have to care about my breasts AT ALL! But it is not the case sadly... I do know people uglier than me but I'm plain! And I'm Brazilian so I have boring brown hair and boring brown eyes. All I got in my favor are a big butt and nice lips, and I dont have flat hips, but who cares about that.
Understand? I'm not gorgeous so I have to try to grow my breasts, maybe just a little more, to be at least acceptable!

Well, good, I'm glad you actually see it my way! ;-) It wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, as far as I know.
Blue, NOBODY'S PERFECT, hun!! But, not that people are truly ugly!! I've had the "I'm ugly"'s most of my life, too, but, here you all are telling me I'm quite good-looking!! And I'm not the only one that's said I'm ugly. A number of people in my life had said so, mostly guys, though. I don't know that ANY girls have ever said it. either they're too nice or they just don't see me as ugly, but if THAT'S the case, why isn't there a line of them all the way around my block waiting for their chance to mark their territory in my underwear?
As far as I know, I haven't seen any pictures of you, but I'd SERIOUSLY doubt you're as ugly as you seem to think you are!! Did you ever see the movie, "Looker"? It stars Susan Dey, James Coburn and albert Finney. http://youtu.be/YKuMguUKGyg Part of it deals with what media claims is a perfect image!! It's what I've been on about here about the magazines TELLING you what you SHOULD look like when, in all reality, you're absolutely perfect the way you are!! You're YOU!! Why do you think you need to "be" someone else?

Aww thank you! I really don't know how other people perceive my attractiveness. My female friends think I'm pretty, and sometimes say this indirectly, like when I say "I'm soooo ugly" and they're like "stop saying BS". But the guys, like my crush, seem to think I'm not good enough!

[Blue Colleen]

I've heard coconut oil helps a lot, but I REALLY hate my hair feeling greasy!!

Coconut oil is usually used by people with dry and damaged hair, I've used it twice in my hair that isn't dry neither damaged and it made it super greasy!
There's a forum which I think you would like, the Long Hair Community. It has a lot of tips to make your hair longer and healthier. Since you haven't cut your hair since 89 I bet there are a lot of split ends! You should cut them!
Drink a lot of water & take vitamins & use shampoos with vitamins. Somehow putting vitamins directly in the scalp makes the hair grow like crazy!

[BonitaDDs]

What did you girls use to grow hair? My bf loves my crazy hair is a really strange texture it sort of seems to grow bigger than longer and really tangled never been longer than the top of my breasts.
But its like I brush its always frizzy and it sticks out at all kinds of unusual directions it grows fast(more than an inch roots a month after colouring, but falls out alot like almost a handfull per wash it allways is still thick though coffee rinse is reducing hair fall but if anyone has any ideas to get it less knotty or grow faster I'm interested.

[Blue Colleen]

What did you girls use to grow hair? My bf loves my crazy hair is a really strange texture it sort of seems to grow bigger than longer and really tangled never been longer than the top of my breasts.
But its like I brush its always frizzy and it sticks out at all kinds of unusual directions it grows fast(more than an inch roots a month after colouring, but falls out alot like almost a handfull per wash it allways is still thick though coffee rinse is reducing hair fall but if anyone has any ideas to get it less knotty or grow faster I'm interested.

1 inch a month is already very fast, but you could try those vitamins: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=83
I take some of them, but I'm still trying to find the others. I started last week tho so I can't say if it is helping for me, but you can read other people's experiences in the link, since it's a thread.

[Missed Miss]

I was referring to the fact that you'd be increasing your breast size either way, which MissedMiss has addressed. Obviously we all here prefer natural breasts, but there are people who like implants better.

I do agree that implants probably require less self-reflection than NBE, but they're not really that quick and there's a good deal of pain and aftercare that goes into it. I don't know that NBE means more body acceptance, though. There's a lot of "boobie greed" floating around that seems eerily similar to an augmented woman's desire to go bigger after her first surgery.

I'm not against anyone who wants to go the plastic route. Whatever makes them happy but they are a lot quicker than NBE because you usually wake up way bigger than you were whiles some people don't see results with NBE for months.
And I can't really speak for anyone else on the matter of self acceptance but boobie greed to me is like wanting to grow your hair longer even though its at a good length. There's nothing wrong with that.

I've always wanted very long hair (Crystal Gail), but I just doesn't seem to ever go longer than my mid-back! :-( It was this long in the late `80's, then I shaved it all off in protest in `89 and haven't cut it since, but it STILL hasn't gone past my mid back!!

There is no terminal hair lenght, only people with longe or sortear anagen fases. For exemple someone whose most scalp hair strands grow for only 2 years, and their hair grows 0.5 inches a month, she's going to have short hair, but if she accelerates her hair growth, taking vitamin supplements and doing her masks and etc, her hair WILL grow longer. But if then her hair grow VERY fast and if she stops taking vitamins, and her hair start growing in the normal speed again, the longer strands will shed and she'll have short hair again. In theory.
I hope that made sense

Yes, except for the first sentence.