[rocketmelon]

just found kudzu in my red clover mix herbs ......so I'm guessing those herbs "mix" ? "Soya Isoflavones, Kudzu Root & Red Clover "
only recently I found out Kudzu is related to pm
both pm & pl contain Miroestrol activates ER-α...but pm is highest
they are both from the legume family both have got "Pueraria" in them
Pueraria mirifica (Kwao Krua), Pueraria lobata (Kudzu)

swanson do this herb for a good price too, if I trusted it it be great to put in my program with out spending big money.

in future does anybody think I should mix ? with herbs or with pm or just not take?
red clover doesn't go with pm though ?...and soy no for sure ....I only have a few left anyway so I wondered if anybody knew much about Kudzu besides it helps with menopause.........has anyone else used it for nbe =/? bust 36 pills apparently have it in their pills with fg and hops mix .....

if I shouldn't use them for sure I'll give the rest to my mother we already share dong qui, shes in menopause ..she noticed a difference with dq so this would help it not go to waste

thanx for any info you can give =DDDDDDDDDDD I'll make sure to post any results I do achieve

[EllaC]

just found kudzu in my red clover mix herbs ......so I'm guessing those herbs "mix" ? "Soya Isoflavones, Kudzu Root & Red Clover "
only recently I found out Kudzu is related to pm
both pm & pl contain Miroestrol activates ER-α...but pm is highest
they are both from the legume family both have got "Pueraria" in them
Pueraria mirifica (Kwao Krua), Pueraria lobata (Kudzu)

swanson do this herb for a good price too, if I trusted it it be great to put in my program with out spending big money.

in future does anybody think I should mix ? with herbs or with pm or just not take?
red clover doesn't go with pm though ?...and soy no for sure ....I only have a few left anyway so I wondered if anybody knew much about Kudzu besides it helps with menopause.........has anyone else used it for nbe =/? bust 36 pills apparently have it in their pills with fg and hops mix .....

if I shouldn't use them for sure I'll give the rest to my mother we already share dong qui, shes in menopause ..she noticed a difference with dq so this would help it not go to waste

thanx for any info you can give =DDDDDDDDDDD I'll make sure to post any results I do achieve

Hi Rocket.
Im keen to do a "find out more about kudzu quest with you" !
All I know at this stage is its the Chinese PM, helps with alcohol cravings and tinnitus. And its not as strong as PM.
But I have a few herbal reference guides and herbal healing books so I will look up and see what I can come up with. Plus Lotus sent me something on it which I will dig up.
None of course will make reference to breast enlargement though

[rocketmelon]

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Hi Rocket.
Im keen to do a "find out more about kudzu quest with you" !
All I know at this stage is its the Chinese PM, helps with alcohol cravings and tinnitus. And its not as strong as PM.
But I have a few herbal reference guides and herbal healing books so I will look up and see what I can come up with. Plus Lotus sent me something on it which I will dig up.
None of course will make reference to breast enlargement though
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aw thanx (= ..yeh recently I heard it was used for that ..it was in a mixture pill I got with red clover and soy was for menopause (I got it for the red clover ) when I looked it up I found they where related
yeh seeing they're related I wondered if it's okie to mix ? but seeing one is less strong maybe not ? ....(= thank you for looking up for me ! ;[ well even if it isn't for nbe I have pm ......but it would be interesting! (= thank you

[Dynseli]

Red clover can lead to sterility. It shrinks the ovaries (or testies) over time. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2858001/ don't mix red clover with anything.

I've wasted herbs by mixing them, when they have unwanted properties. Puerarias are similar enough, depending if something stronger is wanted or a longer lasting supply is wanted.

[rocketmelon]

Red clover can lead to sterility. It shrinks the ovaries (or testies) over time. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2858001/ don't mix red clover with anything.

I've wasted herbs by mixing them, when they have unwanted properties. Puerarias are similar enough, depending if something stronger is wanted or a longer lasting supply is wanted.

;[ thnx luckily it was low dose but still ...yeh if they clash you'd have to cycle ten at a time haha when I'm finished will all herbs I bought I want to make a short, refined and researched list of all the herbs I need rather than piles of plants I've never heard of (besides the fact they are being linked to nbe )x]
I won't be investing in any more red clover then =p there was 30 caps I took alot x=

[Dynseli]

you're welcome, about the red clover problem. I think a lot has to be taken for that to happen, but still, why risk that.

[rocketmelon]

you're welcome, about the red clover problem. I think a lot has to be taken for that to happen, but still, why risk that.

;] there are other herbs that do the same thing..seriously there are so many! ..

[iaboy]

So, Ella, have you found more info on this subject?

I was, still am to some degree, following flat to fem program. She is quite high on Red Clover. and it has taken me from just girl buds to 38b, but have been on a plateau for the last 4-6 months. Any suggestions or knowledge would be a great help.

[EllaC]

So, Ella, have you found more info on this subject?

I was, still am to some degree, following flat to fem program. She is quite high on Red Clover. and it has taken me from just girl buds to 38b, but have been on a plateau for the last 4-6 months. Any suggestions or knowledge would be a great help.

Have a read of this. Its about as much as I ever researched on Kudzu. Lesser strength than PM, used primarily for alcoholism and not soo much breast enlargement. One of our senior members had growth using Kudzu, I guess cause of the properties as mentioned in the link. Its my understanding not to mix any other phytoestrogens at the same time using PM but I'm unfamiliar with PM and this is based on what I have read on here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudzu

[iaboy]

Thanks Ella, that was somewhat of a different side of it. Sounds like for NBE it's next to worthless, unless you gather a lot on put it in a bottle, then use for a paper weight.

Most of what I got was mostly used to help modify addiction to alcohol.

Thanks for reply