14-05-2014, 06:58
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14-05-2014, 16:27
the abstract from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14706564 says "GBE contains 24% of phytoestrogens, which is kaempferol, quercetin, and isorhamnetin." and that Ginkgo works more on ER-beta, than ER-alpha. ER-alpha is present in breast tissue, instead of ER-beta. The three chemicals can be looked up too at that website, but a good one was behind a paywall, and its abstract said very little about the results.
14-05-2014, 17:14
(14-05-2014, 16:27)lovely11 Wrote: the abstract from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14706564 says "GBE contains 24% of phytoestrogens, which is kaempferol, quercetin, and isorhamnetin." and that Ginkgo works more on ER-beta, than ER-alpha. ER-alpha is present in breast tissue, instead of ER-beta. The three chemicals can be looked up too at that website, but a good one was behind a paywall, and its abstract said very little about the results.
Antiestrogenic activities of Ginkgo biloba extracts.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16842996
Hmm, same author?, this one is from August 06, the first study is from January 04.
There's a few more but this one is a big deal.
The inhibitory effects of the standardized extracts of Ginkgo biloba on Aromatase activity in JEG-3 human choriocarcinoma cells.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23339036
14-05-2014, 17:58
(14-05-2014, 17:14)Lotus Wrote:(14-05-2014, 16:27)lovely11 Wrote: the abstract from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14706564 says "GBE contains 24% of phytoestrogens, which is kaempferol, quercetin, and isorhamnetin." and that Ginkgo works more on ER-beta, than ER-alpha. ER-alpha is present in breast tissue, instead of ER-beta. The three chemicals can be looked up too at that website, but a good one was behind a paywall, and its abstract said very little about the results.
Antiestrogenic activities of Ginkgo biloba extracts.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16842996
Hmm, same author?, this one is from August 06, the first study is from January 04.
There's a few more but this one is a big deal.
The inhibitory effects of the standardized extracts of Ginkgo biloba on Aromatase activity in JEG-3 human choriocarcinoma cells.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23339036
lovely11,
I see that you're a new member so welcome, are you pursuing NBE?.
Oh btw, quercetin while being a phytoestrogens (flavonoids) it's also an Aromatase inhibitor, the same goes for Genistein.
Thank you. No, I just like researching what is possible. I tend to agree that Ginkgo has conflicting effects. Here is something on Ginseng http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/15/5/7827
14-05-2014, 18:15
(14-05-2014, 18:08)lovely11 Wrote: Thank you. No, I just like researching what is possible. I tend to agree that Ginkgo has conflicting effects. Here is something on Ginseng http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/15/5/7827
Well then, research is music to my ears, lol. I see that you recognize the importance of receptor activity!.
14-05-2014, 18:24
(14-05-2014, 18:15)Lotus Wrote:(14-05-2014, 18:08)lovely11 Wrote: Thank you. No, I just like researching what is possible. I tend to agree that Ginkgo has conflicting effects. Here is something on Ginseng http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/15/5/7827
Well then, research is music to my ears, lol. I see that you recognize the importance of receptor activity!.
lovely11,
What's your knowledge on increasing aromatase activity through LH (luteinizing hormone) for NBE?
14-05-2014, 18:46
I'm not so sure about Aromatases. But Chasteberry increases LH. Hops decreases LH, but has other tissue promoting properties. From this, I'd theorize to use hops, but cycle off of it during the follicular phase, when more LH is needed.
14-05-2014, 18:58
(14-05-2014, 18:46)lovely11 Wrote: I'm not so sure about Aromatases. But Chasteberry increases LH. Hops decreases LH, but has other tissue promoting properties. From this, I'd theorize to use hops, but cycle off of it during the follicular phase, when more LH is needed.
Ok thanks,
It's just something that I've been looking into, increased LH for higher levels of Aromatase to convert T for both males and females into E, there's been some published research though regarding it.
Green increases SHBG and is 25% flavonoid
14-05-2014, 19:08
(14-05-2014, 18:58)Lotus Wrote:(14-05-2014, 18:46)lovely11 Wrote: I'm not so sure about Aromatases. But Chasteberry increases LH. Hops decreases LH, but has other tissue promoting properties. From this, I'd theorize to use hops, but cycle off of it during the follicular phase, when more LH is needed.
Ok thanks,
It's just something that I've been looking into, increased LH for higher levels of Aromatase to convert T for both males and females into E, there's been some published research though regarding it.
Green increases SHBG and is 25% flavonoid
So Aromatases decrease testosterone and increase estrogens? could be so. During the follicular phase, testosterone is responsible for inhibiting growth. Higher LH is correlated to less breast tissue loss during follicular phase. I'd like to see a study that verifies the connection between all of the above, before making that assumption.
Could chasteberry, spearmint, green tea, nettles, and saw palmetto be aromatases?
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