[KardashianKurves]

Most of the threads in this section are by people who already know what they are doing sort of, and I've never looked into BO before, but I've hit a stall with herbs, hovering over here at 41" and I need to try something different to increase my growth. So I have some really basic questions about BO.

I noticed that people are talking about placenta, adrenal and ovary. When should you use all 3, what are the individual needs for all 3? Like, with herbs you need to use some for estrogen, and some for prolactin, and some for aromatease, etc. So what does the adrenal do, and what does the placenta do, and what does the ovary do? My understanding is the ovary sort of is the estrogen in this sort of program so what do the others do?

Right now I'm on Nexplanon, which is a fairly high dose progesterone and I think that might be my problem, is that I'm not offsetting it with enough estrogen, so what do you think would be best for someone with high progesterone levels?

Also, is this like a PM sort of program where you shouldn't mix it with any other estrogenic herbs, even in form of massage agents? Like if you take PM internally, you should also massage with it externally or use something with no hormone sorts of things in it, like Flaxseed Oil, or Volufilline cream. Could I use a cream with herbs in it, like Booby Stacked while doing BO?

Are there any good pre-made pills for a BO regimen? I saw a few acronyms used, like UB and BB, but I'm not sure what they stand for, I think they are pre-made pills, but I'm not sure. So names for these so I could do some research would be helpful.

Sorry if that's a lot, but even if you could just point me to the right threads I would be VERY grateful because I'm just not finding the information I need.

[solome]

hi kk you mentioned you think the Nexplanon could be a problem. it sucks a lot of birth control preparations contain synthetic hormones but then, i guess, that's how the maker claims ownership. knock off a carbon atom here, add one there and it belongs to you. you might find this kinda interesting since Nexplanon contains a progestin. from this book “Are your Hormones Making you Sick?” by, Eldred Taylor, MD, Ava Bell- Taylor, MD Physicians Natural Medicine, Inc.

Progestins are synthetic versions of progesterone. Progestins have a chemical make-up similar to progesterone. These compounds bind to the progesterone receptors in cells but they are unable to deliver the entire message. They are only able to direct the cell to perform a limited amount of the progesterone message. The progesterone hormone receptor complex is very specific. If one carbon atom of progesterone is changed, the message to the target tissue is also changed. Progesterone is metabolized to estrogen, testosterone and cortisol in women. Progestins, altered progesterone molecules, can create a roadblock in this cascade. The altered structure of progestins not only affects the progesterone message; it also results in unwanted side effects. However, the short-term use of Progestins is helpful in treating vaginal bleeding and protecting the uterus from cancer caused by estrogen exposure.

btw, this web site has some brief descriptions of some of the glandulars i found informative http://www.doctorsresearch.com/prod_simply.html i'm taking some swanson glandulars now but i can't tell you much more than this web page will.

[KardashianKurves]

hi kk you mentioned you think the Nexplanon could be a problem. it sucks a lot of birth control preparations contain synthetic hormones but then, i guess, that's how the maker claims ownership. knock off a carbon atom here, add one there and it belongs to you. you might find this kinda interesting since Nexplanon contains a progestin. from this book “Are your Hormones Making you Sick?” by, Eldred Taylor, MD, Ava Bell- Taylor, MD Physicians Natural Medicine, Inc.

Progestins are synthetic versions of progesterone. Progestins have a chemical make-up similar to progesterone. These compounds bind to the progesterone receptors in cells but they are unable to deliver the entire message. They are only able to direct the cell to perform a limited amount of the progesterone message. The progesterone hormone receptor complex is very specific. If one carbon atom of progesterone is changed, the message to the target tissue is also changed. Progesterone is metabolized to estrogen, testosterone and cortisol in women. Progestins, altered progesterone molecules, can create a roadblock in this cascade. The altered structure of progestins not only affects the progesterone message; it also results in unwanted side effects. However, the short-term use of Progestins is helpful in treating vaginal bleeding and protecting the uterus from cancer caused by estrogen exposure.

btw, this web site has some brief descriptions of some of the glandulars i found informative http://www.doctorsresearch.com/prod_simply.html i'm taking some swanson glandulars now but i can't tell you much more than this web page will.

I haven't had any issues with the progesterone yet, and I've had the implant for about 9 months, but I noticed that since I got it, I haven't seen as much growth. I have a program thread, when I wasn't on BC I gained like, 3 inches in about 4 months, then I got the implant and I have gained an inch in about 3 months, and I'm not getting much in the ways of swelling either. I know how the synthetic hormones and such work, I did about 4-5 years of research before I started NBE, but it was all herb research, so now that I want to make the switch, I'm needing new info for BO. Sorry but the site doesn't seem to help me much with an NBE perspective. Does BO not have an estrogen/progestin/anti-androgen/etc base like herbs do? Is there a specific combo that people usually see results with? I've been reading through the archive(and a few websites) and I've not learned much other than body temp is a key player, I shouldn't touch the pituitary gland and I should ingest protein shakes instead of just eating protein. In fact that site leads me to more questions, like the adrenal and hypothalamus would be like taking pituitary so I shouldn't touch them either because of my age, correct? The ovary excerpt just doesn't give much info.

EDIT: OH I have a mac and I guess my track pad wasn't working fully, and I didn't see all the info at the bottom. I'm reading it now, hopefully that helps me out a bit, if you know of any other sites with info like this, please let me know!

[prettylily]

BB is Bountiful Breast and UB is Ultra Breast.