[Lotus]

Ok friends, time to kick-up your NBE IQ, I promise you'll get this!, (hopefully right?)

Anybody care to explain the Family of Hormones used for NBE?


We'll call them,


Andy-(androgens)-


Gessy-(progestogens)


Esty-(oestrogens)


I know I know, cheesy right?, just work with me here please!

[Lotus]

Ok, I see!!, this I gonna be like pulling teeth eh?

Like I said, you'll be able to get this!,

First thing that we need to mention is that there is ‘Grand Ma’, and she is where it all (hormones ) starts, and she is Cholesterol, so (our family) is created from (a molecule).

So, just for moment we have to put some of the family aspect aside or otherwise it will get very weird, (no jokes please).

From Cholesterol (Grand Ma) she makes Progestogens (Gessy), and from (Gessy) comes Androgens (Andy), comprende?.


Now when Grand ma cholesterol see's an old friend and his name is Enzy, (Enzyme or otherwise known as part of the P450 substrate family) they decide to get together. Anyways, when Grand Ma cholesterol (shame on you G-ma,lol) and Enzy get together they make Pregnenolone who we'll call (Greg).


So all these goings on takes place in the adrenal cortex,

   

So we'll stop for now and give this crazy family a break, to be continued......

[Lotus]

It may come as a surprise, and it's not a misprint, SP lowers E.

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs)
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.

Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drugi...l/971.html

From WebMD:

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs) interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.
Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.
Some estrogen pills include conjugated equine estrogens (Premarin), ethinyl estradiol, estradiol, and others.


http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-971-SAW%20PALMETTO.aspx?activeIngredientId=971&activeIngredientName=SAW%20PALMETTO#vit_sideeffects

_________________________________

ANDROGENS AND ESTROGENS: THEIR INTERACTION WITH STROMA AND EPITHELIUM OF HUMAN BENIGN PROSTATIC HYPERPLASIA AND NORMAL PROSTATE
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...7718500231

Androgens and estrogens in benign prostatic hyperplasia: Past, present and future
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8111000636

Saw Palmetto & Estrogen
http://www.livestrong.com/article/543983...-estrogen/

__________________________________

Other study related SP info:

Two of the largest double-blind clinical trials on Serenoa repens (saw palmetto) extracts for treatment of symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) have both shown negative results (Barry, et al. 2011; Bent, et al. 2006).
http://www.dryarnell.com/new-negative-tr...-palmetto/

[Beautywithboobs]

It may come as a surprise, and it's not a misprint, SP lowers E.

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs)
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.

Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drugi...l/971.html

From WebMD:

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs) interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.
Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.
Some estrogen pills include conjugated equine estrogens (Premarin), ethinyl estradiol, estradiol, and others.


http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-971-SAW%20PALMETTO.aspx?activeIngredientId=971&activeIngredientName=SAW%20PALMETTO#vit_sideeffects

_________________________________

ANDROGENS AND ESTROGENS: THEIR INTERACTION WITH STROMA AND EPITHELIUM OF HUMAN BENIGN PROSTATIC HYPERPLASIA AND NORMAL PROSTATE
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...7718500231

Androgens and estrogens in benign prostatic hyperplasia: Past, present and future
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8111000636

Saw Palmetto & Estrogen
http://www.livestrong.com/article/543983...-estrogen/

__________________________________

Other study related SP info:

Two of the largest double-blind clinical trials on Serenoa repens (saw palmetto) extracts for treatment of symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) have both shown negative results (Barry, et al. 2011; Bent, et al. 2006).
http://www.dryarnell.com/new-negative-tr...-palmetto/

So is this an effective cure for e dom

[priyanka17]

It may come as a surprise, and it's not a misprint, SP lowers E.
Hu
Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs)
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.

Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drugi...l/971.html

From WebMD:

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs) interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.
Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.
Some estrogen pills include conjugated equine estrogens (Premarin), ethinyl estradiol, estradiol, and others.


http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-971-SAW%20PALMETTO.aspx?activeIngredientId=971&activeIngredientName=SAW%20PALMETTO#vit_sideeffects

_________________________________

ANDROGENS AND ESTROGENS: THEIR INTERACTION WITH STROMA AND EPITHELIUM OF HUMAN BENIGN PROSTATIC HYPERPLASIA AND NORMAL PROSTATE
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...7718500231

Androgens and estrogens in benign prostatic hyperplasia: Past, present and future
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8111000636

Saw Palmetto & Estrogen
http://www.livestrong.com/article/543983...-estrogen/

__________________________________

Other study related SP info:

Two of the largest double-blind clinical trials on Serenoa repens (saw palmetto) extracts for treatment of symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) have both shown negative results (Barry, et al. 2011; Bent, et al. 2006).
http://www.dryarnell.com/new-negative-tr...-palmetto/

Hey lotus!!

I have excess estrogen and excess androgen with normal progesterone according to an online hormone test by john lee..
So do you think that taking saw palmetto along with fennel and fg can lower my estrogen and androgen level???if yes then how much mg should I take of sp in berry form(not extract)..

[Lotus]

It may come as a surprise, and it's not a misprint, SP lowers E.

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs)
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.

Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drugi...l/971.html

From WebMD:

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs) interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.
Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.
Some estrogen pills include conjugated equine estrogens (Premarin), ethinyl estradiol, estradiol, and others.


http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-971-SAW%20PALMETTO.aspx?activeIngredientId=971&activeIngredientName=SAW%20PALMETTO#vit_sideeffects

_________________________________

ANDROGENS AND ESTROGENS: THEIR INTERACTION WITH STROMA AND EPITHELIUM OF HUMAN BENIGN PROSTATIC HYPERPLASIA AND NORMAL PROSTATE
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...7718500231

Androgens and estrogens in benign prostatic hyperplasia: Past, present and future
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8111000636

Saw Palmetto & Estrogen
http://www.livestrong.com/article/543983...-estrogen/

__________________________________

Other study related SP info:

Two of the largest double-blind clinical trials on Serenoa repens (saw palmetto) extracts for treatment of symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) have both shown negative results (Barry, et al. 2011; Bent, et al. 2006).
http://www.dryarnell.com/new-negative-tr...-palmetto/

So is this an effective cure for e dom

Nope, that's going in the wrong direction, lowering androgens will up regulate E. Also, taking Fenugeek if your E-dominate is also going the wrong way.

[Lotus]

It may come as a surprise, and it's not a misprint, SP lowers E.

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs)
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.

Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drugi...l/971.html

From WebMD:

Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs) interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Some birth control pills contain estrogen. Saw palmetto might decrease the effects of estrogen in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with saw palmetto, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom.
Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

Estrogens interacts with SAW PALMETTO
Saw palmetto seems to decrease estrogen levels in the body. Taking saw palmetto along with estrogen pills might decrease the effectiveness of estrogen pills.
Some estrogen pills include conjugated equine estrogens (Premarin), ethinyl estradiol, estradiol, and others.


http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-971-SAW%20PALMETTO.aspx?activeIngredientId=971&activeIngredientName=SAW%20PALMETTO#vit_sideeffects

_________________________________

ANDROGENS AND ESTROGENS: THEIR INTERACTION WITH STROMA AND EPITHELIUM OF HUMAN BENIGN PROSTATIC HYPERPLASIA AND NORMAL PROSTATE
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...7718500231

Androgens and estrogens in benign prostatic hyperplasia: Past, present and future
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8111000636

Saw Palmetto & Estrogen
http://www.livestrong.com/article/543983...-estrogen/

__________________________________

Other study related SP info:

Two of the largest double-blind clinical trials on Serenoa repens (saw palmetto) extracts for treatment of symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) have both shown negative results (Barry, et al. 2011; Bent, et al. 2006).
http://www.dryarnell.com/new-negative-tr...-palmetto/

So is this an effective cure for e dom

Nope, that's going in the wrong direction, lowering androgens will up regulate E. Also, taking Fenugeek if your E-dominate is also going the wrong way.

If you still believe taking 3000 mg fenugreek and 5000 MSM is a good idea I can't help you anymore, nor will I.

[Lotus]

Hey lotus!!

I have excess estrogen and excess androgen with normal progesterone according to an online hormone test by john lee..
So do you think that taking saw palmetto along with fennel and fg can lower my estrogen and androgen level???if yes then how much mg should I take of sp in berry form(not extract)..

Hi priyanka,

FG and fennel are estrogenic, FG is high on protein, part of which helps build tissue. the Diosgenin in FG upregulates progesterone. Fennel is estrogenic, saw palmetto down regulates progesterone receptors.

I think you should look at evening primrose oil, it's 80% at anti-DHT, and you only need 1000 mg a day. I'd also consider coconut oil, (taken internally), which will also builds tissue (two tablespoons daily).

Add omega 3 for lowering the inflammatory levels our body it creates, it's possible to add fenugreek in a couple of weeks, and all you need there is 2 capsules, which is 1800 mg, there's no point in taking more FG.

[priyanka17]

Hey lotus!!

I have excess estrogen and excess androgen with normal progesterone according to an online hormone test by john lee..
So do you think that taking saw palmetto along with fennel and fg can lower my estrogen and androgen level???if yes then how much mg should I take of sp in berry form(not extract)..

Hi priyanka,

FG and fennel are estrogenic, FG is high on protein, part of which helps build tissue. the Diosgenin in FG upregulates progesterone. Fennel is estrogenic, saw palmetto down regulates progesterone receptors.

I think you should look at evening primrose oil, it's 80% at anti-DHT, and you only need 1000 mg a day. I'd also consider coconut oil, (taken internally), which will also builds tissue (two tablespoons daily).

Add omega 3 for lowering the inflammatory levels our body it creates, it's possible to add fenugreek in a couple of weeks, and all you need there is 2 capsules, which is 1800 mg, there's no point in taking more FG.

Hey lotus!!
Thanks for replying

So I should stop taking fg fennel and sp for now.
And I have to take 1000mg of evening primrose oil daily with coconut oil right??
And I already take 600 mg of fish oil daily.
So for how many weeks should I take epo? Is a month fine and after that I'll take 1tsp of fg seeds. And sp(320mg) only is that fine?also after 1 month I have to continue epo or stop taking it??
Sorry for so many questions

[priyanka17]

I am totally confused right now..I mean I have normal proge. And excess estrogen so I need to lower my estrogen but how?and what should I do to increase my breast size I mean even if I bring my estrogen to normal that won't make them grow don't know what to do