[rocketmelon]

Hi Rocketmelon,
I think what is called estrogen dominance is actually androgen dominance, and a lot of LH or FSH. Estrogens are usually high during this time, when androgens are higher than normal. Androgens are associated with mood problems.

A phyto-prolactin, phytoestrogen, and phytoprogestin all together are better during the luteal phase, and during menstruation, allowing a break for the cycle to continue normally.

Fennel and Fenugreek can be obtained cheaply from the spice section of a grocery store. The program would be more efficient with an aromatase like topical lavender or topical tea tree. These are primarily estrogen properties that are lacking in the program. Peony is an aromatase that was partially used, but I think it was the high amounts of androgens that were the problem. A lavender plant can be bought from a garden store. Hops is an efficient prolactin.

Saw Palmetto actually is anti-estrogen, so it might not be helpful.

Mood problems are also from different types of progestogens forming into mineralcoiterroids, and gluccoriods inefficiently. Some progestogens are associated with less mood symptoms and others are associated with higher mood symptoms. alpha-reductase (which forms a type of neural dihydroprogesterone) is associated with less mood symptoms. Vitamins, lminerals, low salt intake, and adaptogens should help with mood symptoms during late luteal.

Flaxseed can lower various androgen levels, but too much might be counterproductive to NBE. I think NBE can be done botanically, without animal extracts. A combination of paleo or vegetarian diets can be used. FYI, some MSMs may be made from crab shells.

You've made a lot of progress in your pictures.

holy jebus thanx!!! I'm glad I have you here where do you get your stuff!!
So over all what herb should I add? I only do herbs now for hormone balance so my doses are lower and I don't take everyday (=

And thanx is good if a vegan does this diet they know msm can be made from crab sells I thought it was clear but ..

thank you (= I worked hard and took your advise
Keeping a balance using the goats rue with pm really made a effect put me in a good mood because of the prolactin with the estro
Plus I haave had a lil T herb could this cause the andrgons or should I just have more converting herbs like peony ? I've had no bad hair growth so I asumed I was all clear =p

[rocketmelon]

Holy shit, I think you just broke the Internet, well........maybe just the noogleberry.

Fantastic growth.

Mood problems are also from different types of progestogens forming into mineralcoiterroids, and gluccoriods inefficiently.

Lovely, do you mean Glucocorticoids and Mineralocorticoids?, or something else?.

The glucocorticoid receptor: Pivot of depression and of antidepressant treatment?
There is strong evidence for the notion that antidepressants exert these effects by modulating the GR. Such modulations, however, can be manifold and range from regulation of receptor expression to post-translational modifications, which may result in differences in GR nuclear translocation and GR-dependent gene transcription. The idea that the therapeutic action of antidepressants is mediated, at least in part, by restoring GR function, is consistent with studies showing that decreased GR function contributes to HPA axis hyperactivity and to the development of depressive symptoms. Conversely, excessive glucocorticoid signalling, which requires an active GR, is associated with functional impairments in the depressed brain, especially in the hippocampus, where it results in reduced neurogenesis and impaired neuroplasticity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...-32323.pdf

AGAIN another good nbe scientist!!
My brain would be fried trying to understand those big words =p
Thank you lotus you really helped me I loved your info on T converting and made me think of keeping a balance in terms of ratio. Plus your growth in such small space of time was very impressive! You've helped a lot of the nbe community I'm glad you and lovelyy11 are still posting an researching =p
Yes I filled the ex ex large T_T <3

[rocketmelon]

She's amazing heh. What an inspiration!

Thank you L= <3

[rocketmelon]

That's freaking amazing. I hope to reach my goal within a year as well. Totally inspiring.

Thank you from looking at your signature I think you will!
You've growing a good few inches you'll easily row a good few more =p

[rocketmelon]

Ok this is long an yes at one point I was noolgledd a lot! You don't have to noogle that much I know some people on here at the 4 hour mark at most growing 4 cups !
that over noogle time that's why I got padding you can get pressure sores mine cleared up but remember if you do stop! get padding if you see any blister stop it can be permanent I read if it reachs a stage a lil scab will clear mine is history
you'll see I level out for a 4 hour mark and start with that I got a good inch with that mark =p
I also grew a bit before nogling on herbs if you check my other page (=
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=21160
IF any of the dairy isn't there also check out it ^


June 24th + have not noogled still mesasure 44inches/24/39 (I did a butt herb program and did gain a little weight but with more womenly hormones I gained on right places (sorry that incloudes theighs but I'm not too worried about my theighs)

June 2nd 2h
3rd 3.30
4th 2h
5th 7.30
6th 3h
7th 2.30
8th 2h
9th 5.30
10th 3h 30
11th 2h
12th 4h
13 0
14 -19th 0 (breaks due to contentment with size)
20th 3h
22nd 1h ( noogling here and there keeping sizes 40-45 useally if suspected weightloss)
23 1 30
24- 25 0 noogle measuring 44 =D

May
23th 2h
24th 3h
25th 3h.30
26th 3.30
27th 0
28th 3h
29th 5h.30
30th


March
1rst 1h 30
2nd 1h
3rd 0
4th 1h
5th 4h
6 4h 30
7th 3h
8th 0
10th

aprail
1st 4h
2d
3rd 30
4th 2h
5th 2h
6th 4.30
7,8,9=0h
10 6/30
11 3h
12th 0
13th 1
14th 3h
15 5h
16th 2h
17t 0
18th 1h 30
19th 2h
20 1h
21 2.30
22 1h
23 3h
24th 1h
25th 2h
26th 1h
27th 0
28th 2.30

yh 0March
1rst 6.30
2nd 3h30
3rd 2h
4th 0
5th 0
6th 2h
7th 3h 30
8th 5h 30
9th 4h 30
10th 0
11th 4.30
12th 2.30
13th 5.30
14th 3h
15th 1h
16th 1h
17th 3h
18th 4h
19th 2h
20th 6h
21rst 2h 30
22nd 2h
23rd 5h
24th 0
25th0
26th 3h
27th 1h
28th 3h

Feb
1 4h
2 1h
3rd 2h
4th 1h
5th 3h
6th 5h.30
7th 6h
8th 2h
9th 5h
10th 5h
11th 3h
12th 4h
13th 2h
14th 5h 10min
15th 4h 30
16th 30min
17th 0
18th 4h 30
19th 4h
20th 1h 30
21st 4h
22nd 6h 25
23rd 2h
24th 1h
25th 3h.30
26th 4h
27th 3h
28th 0

1st 6h
2nd 0
3rd 6h
4th 2.30
5th 3h
6th 3h
7th 5h
8th 6h
9th 4h
10th 5.30
11th 4h
12th 6h 15min
13th 4.40
14th 3h
15th 7h 10min
16th 3h 30
17th 3h
18th 4h 30
19th 4h
20th 4h
21: 5h.30
22nd 4h 15min
23rd 6h
24th 5h 15min
25th 4h
26th 9h
27th 4h
28th 3.30
29th 3.30
30th 3h
31st
Jan

Dec
10th 2h
11th 6 h
13 12 h
14th 5h
15th 10h
16th 6h
17th 6h
18th 3h
19th 7h
20th 4h
21st 6h
22nd 7h
23rd 6.30
24th 3h
25th 2h.15
26th 8.30
27th 5h
28th 7h
29th 8h
30th 8h
31st 6h 30min

break (11 days)

29th 2h
28th 1h
25,26,27th no noggle
24th 4.30
23 5h
22th 9h
21 6h
20th 4h
19th 0
18th 9h
17th 4h
16th 2h
break
10th 5h
9th 9h
8th 4h
7th 40mon
5,6 no n
4th 5.30
3 12h.30
2 0h
1 1h
31 4h
30h 6.30h
29 3h
28th 6 h
27th 10h.30
26th 6.30h
25th 10h
24th 9h.20
23rd 2h
22 5h 30
21rst 5h
20th 2h 15min

19th 4.30

18th 13h.30

17th 3h

16th 4h

15th 4h 30min

14th 5

13th 3h

12th 4h

11th 12h.30

10th 8h.15

9th 1h

8th no noggle

7th 2h

6th 3h

5th 8h

4th 5h+


3rd 1 h

2nd 2h 30min

1st 1h

30th 7h

29th 3.30

28th 11h 45 min

27th 6h

26th 4. 30

25th 6.30

24th 6h 30

23rd 4h 30

22th 1 h

21 10h

20th 12h

19th 3 h

18th 4 h

17th 3h 10min

16th 1. 30

15th 4 h

14th 4h

13th 9.30-

12th 3h

11th no noogle

10th 8h

9th 6 30

8th 6 30

7th 6h

6th 3h 30min

5th 9 45

4th 9h 30

3rd 4h

2nd 3h 45

1st 2h

30th 5h

29th 3h 30

27th 5h 25
butt

26 7h
butt 40

25th bust 7h 30min
39inch swell
butt 1h 30min

24th bust 10h 10min
butt 1 h

23 7h 30
butt 45

22 4 h

21 2

20th 2.30

19
bust 4h

18th 5h
butt 45

17th 7h
butt 40

16th bust 7h 40min
butt 1h 6min

15th bust 7h
butt 1h 10min

14th bust 5h

13th bust 8h 15 min

12th bust 6h
butt 1h

11th bust 2.30

10th bust 5h
butt 30min

9th bust 1.30

8th bust 8h

7th bust 1 h
butt 1h 20min

6th
bust 4 h

5th bust 3h
butt 1h

4th
bust 4h

3rd bust 1h

2nd bust 5h 30min
butt 1h 5min

1st aug 2h

30th 1h 10min

29th 40 min bust

28th 10min bust

27th bust 4h 45
butt 35

26th 3h 20
butt 30

25th bust 5 h 10min
butt 35

24 bust 3h
but 55

23 bust 1h

22 bust 7h 45
butt 45min

21 2h 30 bust
butt 55

20th 6h 35
butt 43min

19th 1h 30

18th bust 7h 15min
butt 1h

17th bust 1h 10min
butt 1h 5min

16 bust 2 h


15th bust 40min 37
butt no =(

14th July bust 2h 30
butt 1h 30




11th June bust 2h
12th J 3h
13th 1h bust
14th 2h
15th 2h
16th 30min
17th 30th
18th 30min
19th30min
20th 3h
21th 3h 15min
22th 5 h
23th 20min
24th 4h
25th 1 40min
26th 1h
27th 1 15min
28 3h
29 4 15



june 30 20min 35 inch swell

july 1nd
4h 50min

July 2 3 hour 37inch swell
6 hour swelling 36.5
45 butt

July 3
4 hour .5min
butt 40 min 1inch swell

4th July
butt 53 min swell 0.5 inch
40min bust

5th July
butt 20min 35inch
noogled
bust
4h=38inch

6th July
bust 4h 10min
butt 30min

7th July
bust 6 h 45min
butt 20min

8th July
Bust 1h 40
Butt 1h

9th bust 2h 30
butt 50min

10th bust 2h 30
butt 50min


11th bust 3h 30
butt 20min

12th bust 3h
butt 40min

13th July
bust 4h 38inch swell
butt 50min 1 inch




june 30 20min 35 inch swell

july 1nd
4h 50min

July 2 3 hour 37inch swell
6 hour swelling 36.5
45 butt

July 3
4 hour .5min
butt 40 min 1inch swell

4th July
butt 53 min swell 0.5 inch
40min bust

5th July
butt 14.22-1452 20min 35inch
noogled
bust
4h=38inch

6th July
bust 4h 10min
butt 30min

7th July
bust 6 h 45min
butt 20min

8th July
Bust 1h 40
Butt 1h

9th bust 2h 30
butt 50min

10th bust 2h 30
butt 50min


11th bust 3h 30
butt 20min

12th bust 3h
butt 40min

13th July
bust 4h 38inch swell
butt 50min 1 inch

[Dynseli]

holy jebus thanx!!! I'm glad I have you here where do you get your stuff!!
So over all what herb should I add? I only do herbs now for hormone balance so my doses are lower and I don't take everyday (=

And thanx is good if a vegan does this diet they know msm can be made from crab sells I thought it was clear but ..

thank you (= I worked hard and took your advise
Keeping a balance using the goats rue with pm really made a effect put me in a good mood because of the prolactin with the estro
Plus I have had a lil T herb could this cause the androgens or should I just have more converting herbs like peony ? I've had no bad hair growth so I assumed I was all clear =p

You're welcome.

Your plan is good. It has prolactin and progesterone. I was suggesting using peony currently, which I think an aromatase was missing. Hops is a potent prolactin. It'd be helpful to drop or finish PM. PM isn't healthy, and it appears to raise mood issues that are associated with androgens. Saw Palmetto may be counter productive to NBE, but you might want to hold on to what's left of it anyways.

The Fenugreek already in your program was just effective as a progestogen and was just easily available.

It might be an excess of certain androgens that cause moods. You'll have to cautiously check if that's the case. (neuro-hormones, maybe neuroandrogens, might alleviate mood, but I don't know). I would think to use goat's rue instead of a T-herb, but you hold on to the t-herb if your androgen levels become too low.

Check the ingredient label on MSM, it should tell you. I remember some labeled with having crustacean shells.

I think if you don't have excessive hair, and aren't having problems, then that's one indication that your hormones may be balanced.

Lovely, do you mean Glucocorticoids and Mineralocorticoids?

Yes, I spelled it freely without looking it up, and from a distance. It's not likely one of those biology words where 1 or 2 letters change and it becomes something totally different. You figured it out, so that's good.

[rocketmelon]

thanx then lovelly =p

[rocketmelon]

just noticed I wrote y butt was 44inchs as well as my tits sorry got mixed up, I'm 39 round my hips (= sorry

[anyover88]

Wow rocketmelon, your results are absolutely astonishing for just one year! I always see your posts around the forum before but never realized how far you'd gone. I'm honestly impressed and a little envious.

Do you think the noogleberry is responsible for most of your growth? It's hard to tell since your program has a little of everything but it looks like you grew most after you added noogle.

I really want to try noogleberry now but it just seems like a hassle for me at the moment how would I noogle every day if I don't have a lot of privacy?

also if you're still looking for a free way to host images try http://www.imgur.com

if you make an account you can upload as many as you need, make and link albums and delete your images later should you ever feel like it.

[anyover88]

I was suggesting using peony currently, which I think an aromatase was missing. Hops is a potent prolactin. It'd be helpful to drop or finish PM. PM isn't healthy, and it appears to raise mood issues that are associated with androgens.

I think if you don't have excessive hair, and aren't having problems, then that's one indication that your hormones may be balanced.

sorry to go off on this thread, but lovely, do you think that androgens are the #1 thing that can slow down growth?

I'm using mainly topical herbs including a PM cream and they seem to be doing something good for the most part, but I'm beginning to wonder if I might have too high androgens. I thought using estrogenic herbs could counteract the effects of androgens? maybe not? i've considered getting a white peony extract and some tea tree and lavender for topical use to counteract androgens.