(07-10-2015, 14:59)rateset Wrote: thanks for your answer!
which progesterone cream would you recommend? The one from Source Naturals is easy to find and cheap, is that a good one?
(30-12-2015, 19:57)Wendy Wrote: This looks like a pretty comprehensive program you have developed! (Nice Job!)The iodine is nice due to your thyroid issues.
I am 49, 5’6”, 130lb, and going through menopause right now. I was also just recently diagnosed with a low thyroid in January So I currently take Armor 60mg, and just started taking my temp and found it to be around 97.8/9 when I wake and 98.0/2 when I go to bed. Due to some recent stress I’m having difficulties sleeping at night and find when I can’t sleep at all it drops to the high 96’s.
I have taken PM in the past (gradually working up to 2000 mg per day) for about 2 years (about 3 years ago) and had pretty good results (small B to a full C cup) but going through some financial and relationship issues I stopped taking BC (was using the NuvaRing) and discontinued the PM in January of 2014 because I was happy where I was at. At this time I stopped having my cycle for 11 months but it started again in November 2014, and during this time as the months went by before I realized it my breast had deflated.
I went back on the NuvaRing in January 2015 because my cycles were consistent and I was again sexually active (same relationship, 22 years!) and I started taking the PM again in February. This time no results, same brand, same does, same schedule, nothing, not even a tingle, but I continued as I had had results with this in the past. In May my flow lasted for about 6 weeks and I decided I needed to let my body get back into its natural balance so I discontinued the PM as well as the NuvaRing. I have had continued "spotting" ever since, with one true cycle that lasted about 10 days in November (I think the stress of deer hunting hauling equipment and stand in and out of woods brought it on both times) but still some spotting before and after.
I hate my self-image and as I age it only gets worse, I am now a really saggy C.
I have read as much as I could without direction and have so much mixed information, but this sight has been the most helpful!
I decided I would try BO this time around.
I started the 2nd week of December with 500 mg of BO (250am/250pm) and worked up to splitting 1250 ttl 1 week at a time. I had another cycle in December, again about 10 days, and after upping the dose again last week I started spotting again this morning.
I also started taking a few other sups that had been recommended by other that have had success with the BO.
So this is what my current program looks like;
SW Raw Ovarian Glandular (500mg am/750mg pm)
SW RAW PITUITARY GLANDULAR (80mg pm)
SW SHEEP PLACENTA GLANDULAR (400mg am/400mg pm)
SW PASSION MACA (500mg am)
NEOCELL FISH COLLAGEN W/ HYAL ACID (1000mg am/1000mg pm)
Nature's Way MSM (1000mg am/1000mg pm)
Source Naturals Bioperine (10mg am/10mg pm)
I also take the following;
Vitamin D-3 5,000 IU
Natural Vitality Magnesium 500 mg
Vitamin C 5,000 mg
Iodine (Kelp) 600 mg
Selenium 200 mcg
Folinic Acid- 800mcg
Methyl B12 5000mcg
Vitamin K2 2200 mcg
Vitamin A 10,000 IU
Pure Icelantic Omega 3 Fish OIL 2400mg
So, now that you know all that and TMI (lol) how do you think your program would work for me, or should I just stick with what I’m doing? And do you have any other suggestions that would help with results that are PERMANENT and wont cause spotting?! (or to stop the current spotting?!)
Please help me find something that will give me permanent results and not cause more problems.
(10-04-2016, 18:46)surferjoe2007 Wrote: I've noticed a very large number of people here are underdeveloped in the chest, underdeveloped in general, have metabolic/hormonal and/or mood disorders, etc. Often no herb, BO, or whatever works because no amount of signalling will work when their body just can't do it with the resources they have. What they need is nutrition.
So next I have a recipe for NBE that includes proper nutrition that gets the body working normally and thus should work for just about anybody. The amounts below should be enough to see results once it's used up, after about 4-5 months. It's sized for a small person since many (but not all) who are underdeveloped are smaller or lighter. Those who are taller and/or heavier may want to order more and scale it up. Anybody else may also use this recipe, more nutrition never hurts.
It's also amazing for you in general, not only for NBE.
Recipe*
Seeds:
8 lbs. sunflower seeds
14 lbs. almonds
7 lbs. fenugreek seeds
5 lbs. pumpkin seeds
7 1 gallon jars, or the equivalent well sealed containers
1. Mix everything in a 10+ gallon tub, bucket or cleaned storage bin. Scoop into jars.
2. Soak 3/4 cup in water each night. In the morning strain, rinse off and eat at any time during the day.
Powder:
1 18 oz. bag rice bran
18g pueraria mirifica powder
50g vitex powder
30g kelp
7 mL (7 dropperfuls) of 2,000 iu vitamin D oil
Half gallon jar
1. Pour above into jar and shake until well mixed. If you don't have a gram scale then about 6g per tbsp. or 100g per cup is pretty close.
2. Take 2.5 tsp a day in water. On the first half of your cycle add an additional 1/4 tsp of pueraria mirifica powder.
Supplements:
500 mg or more turmeric
160 mg saw palmetto extract
1 tsp fish oil (per day), or eat at least 2 servings of seafood per week
1. Take once daily.
Topical:
1. Massage with flax oil.
2. Apply 1/8 tsp progesterone cream once daily on the first half of your cycle. On the cycle half of your cycle apply 1/4 tsp progesterone cream twice daily.
* When first starting, use 1/4 of the above amounts. Gradually increase to the full amounts over the course of 1-2 months.
You can verify the amounts of vitamins, minerals and so on in the above here: https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search
(22-11-2015, 17:23)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Recipes
I have a couple recipes. I was debating whether or not to start a new thread for this but I decided to put it here since it's related to this program.
This is a powder and cream combo that should be used together. Links are only example sources for convenience; you may buy ingredients from almost anywhere. Ingredients that must be topical or have a bad taste are in the cream. Ingredients that would be too bulky or hard to absorb in a cream are kept in the powder. So it is kept simple, small, relatively pleasant tasting and nice smelling. It may be used all month without cycling. Additional PM and/or PC may be cycled while using this combo at the same time, but then a smaller amount should be used because of what's already in the combo. And you should only use them if you are sure they are good for you, as explained in previous posts. They might not always be helpful for NBE, and might even be harmful to it.
Likewise as explained earlier you should be in good health before using this combo, with no hormonal problems, no mood or anxiety issues, no metabolic disorders, not hypoglycemic, and at least a B cup before starting (or perhaps a large A for some).
Powder:
- 300 grams 40% saponin shatavari extract : http://www.ebay.com/itm/111622314942 (order 200g + 100g)
- 30 grams pueraria mirifica powder, or 1 oz., or about 1/4 cup. But weighing is more accurate: Many easy to find sources online, take your pick.
- 2 oz. vitex powder: http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Vitex-Chaste-Powder-Quality/dp/B00KEW2S4K/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1448203527&sr=8-24&keywords=vitex+powder
- A few silica gel packs: http://www.amazon.com/Dry-Packs-Silica-Gel-10-Pack/dp/B0038MWTTW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1448205495&sr=8-4&keywords=dessicant&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011 (do not open or consume, of course)
- Quart jar or other container. They're easy to find online or sometimes at supermarkets.
Combine in a quart jar and shake. Take 1-1/4 tsp. a day, dissolved well in liquid. You may stir, let it sit in liquid for a few minutes and stir again if that's easier for you than long stirring. If major discomfort occurs amount may be halved, but then be sure to half the cream too. If major discomfort continues, it might not be a good idea to use this combo at all.
Cream, oil portion:
- 1 oz. cetearyl glucoside : https://www.etsy.com/transaction/1065427047?campaign_label=transaction_buyer_notification&utm_source=transactional&utm_campaign=transaction_buyer_notification_010170_10529880387_0_0&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&email_sent=1442672685&euid=SwaZ-bRiBv8cQ7jp9Cvv0NFdiesd&eaid=30616725645&x_eaid=6f55fd737b (2 orders)
- 1.5 oz or 40 grams cocoa butter (A solid 3 tablespoons, more if there is air in the spoon): Many easy to find sources online. There are other skin uses for the extra and it keeps for a long time.
- 1.5 oz or 40 grams flax oil (3 tbsp): Many easy to find sources online. Can take the extra internally for health.
- 1.5 oz o4 40 grams rice bran oil (3 tbsp): Many easy to find sources online. Can cook with the extra as a super healthy vegetable oil.
- 2.5 grams xanthan gum, or about 1 tsp: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014UH7J2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage . The extra makes a good thickener. To thicken other creams or sauces thoroughly combine 1/4 tsp gum with a tiny bit of any oil until coated. Mix with 1 cup of liquid. Use more for increased thickness.
- 2 oz. saw palmetto extract salve 25% fatty acids: http://www.zooscape.com/cgi-bin/maitred/...514321/r11
Cream, water portion:
- 1-1/3 cup water
- 4 oz. progesterone cream: http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-7436-Progesterone-Ounces/dp/B00X2S4RXI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1443383116&sr=8-6&keywords=progesterone+cream . Also lots of other sources.
- 4 oz. hyaluronic acid: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Hyaluronic-Acid-Serum-100%25/dp/B003MJ7Z0O/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1443383641&sr=8-7&keywords=hyaluronic+acid (2 orders)
- 37 grams MSM or about 1/2 cup, but weighing is more accurate: Many sources, take your pick. For the extra you may take up to 1.5 tsp a day internally to build collagen, or save it since it lasts a long time.
- 2 tsp. grapefruit seed extract: http://www.amazon.com/Nutribiotic-Liquid-Concentrate-Fluid-Ounce/dp/B0002JHZO8/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1443385042&sr=1-1&keywords=grapefruit+seed+extract . The extra may be used as a preservative in other creams. Dissolve 0.5%-2% (1/4 to 1 tsp per cup).
- Quart jar or other container. They're easy to find online or sometimes at supermarkets.
Cream Directions:
1. Put a pan on the lowest heat possible. Drop in oil portion ingredients and stir until xanthan gum is well mixed.
2. While the solids are melting combine the water portion ingredients in another container.
3. Stir the oil portion rapidly to help it melt, then remove from heat once fully melted.
4. Pour oil portion into water portion and mix thoroughly.
5. Transfer to the jar or jars you wish to store the cream in. Refrigeration is optional, but might be safer for whatever you don't plan on using this month.
Apply 1 teaspoon a day to the breasts using your finger tips. Work from outward to inward in a circular motion. You may use this cream for massage if desired. If major discomfort occurs amount may be halved, but then be sure to half the powder too. If major discomfort continues, it might not be a good idea to use this combo at all. If you want to apply something more later in the day you may use as much of your extra cocoa butter, flax oil and rice bran oil as you like.
Purpose:
- Shatavari: NBE, hormone balancing, cycle maintaining.
- PM: NBE. Kept low to avoid disrupting your cycle or hormones, plus other ingredients help counteract any issues.
- Vitex: NBE. Provides a little added progesterone but only during luteal to maintain your cycle. Along with the little bit of PC it balances out the little bit of PM.
- Water: Dissolves cream ingredients.
- Cetearyl Glucoside: Allows oil to mix with water. I made sure to pick a naturally occurring and safe emulsifier with no harmful effects as far as I could find.
- Cocoa Butter: Saturated fat gets absorbed and stored for NBE. Moisturizes to prevent stretch marks.
- Flax Oil: Essential fatty acids gets absorbed and stored for NBE. Moisturizes to prevent stretch marks. Different fat types from the cocoa butter.
- Rice Bran Oil: Preserves these fats so they stay in the breasts longer without leaving.
- Xanthan gum: Natural thickener.
- Saw palmetto extract: NBE. Anti-androgen.
- PC: NBE. Balances out the little bit of PM.
- Hyaluronic Acid: Collagen, lift, firmness, minor NBE. Moisturizes to prevent stretch marks. Swells up in between the collagen rather than forming the collagen itself.
- MSM: Collagen forming, lift, firmness, minor NBE. It's a small amount so you may consume more internally if you like.
- Grapefruit seed extract: Preservative.
